       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: so aren't there more people who use FOSS in
                  Oman?
     <ljuwaidah>  there are, but they're only a few
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: ah.
       <rindolf>  Oman has .om as its TLD.
       <rindolf>  .om .nom .nom
       <rindolf>  p.om p.om
       <rindolf>  kabo.om
       <rindolf>  DJB got the cr.yp.to domain.
       <rindolf>  And there's also ali.as which is Adam Kennedy's.
     <ljuwaidah>  looool
     <ljuwaidah>  rand.om :P
     <ljuwaidah>  do.om :P
     <ljuwaidah>  ro.om
     <ljuwaidah>  m.om
 <Black_Phoenix>  your.m.om
     <ljuwaidah>  hahahaha
     <ljuwaidah>  is that supposed to be a milf site? :P
       <rindolf>  yahoo.c.om
     <ljuwaidah>  bro.om
       <rindolf>  http://yourmom.com/
       <rindolf>  Though it's down now.
     <ljuwaidah>  don't keep your hopes up on .om domains
     <ljuwaidah>  our ISP is a greedy money sucker
       <rindolf>  "I'd rather be a .com than a .om"
     <ljuwaidah>  rindolf: me too
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: this was a joke.
       <rindolf>  I have a few .org domains.
       <rindolf>  From GoDaddy
     <ljuwaidah>  unless you need it for a domain trick
               *  Black_Phoenix <--- .com bastard here
     <ljuwaidah>  rindolf: where's the joke?
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: joke?
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: it rhymes.
       <rindolf>  dot-com, dot-om - get it? get it? get it?
       <rindolf>  ;-)
     <ljuwaidah>  no :(
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: om rhymes with com.
     <ljuwaidah>  so?
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: "I'd rather be a dot-com than a dot-om"
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: it's just a silly rhyme.
 <Black_Phoenix>  I'd rather a website
       <rindolf>  Black_Phoenix: I accidentally a web-site.
     <ljuwaidah>  I still don't get the joke
 <Black_Phoenix>  rindolf, I'd still rather a blog
       <rindolf>  Black_Phoenix: rather what a blog?
 <Black_Phoenix>  Website a blog
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: never mind.
     <ljuwaidah>  sorry, I don't know why I'm slow today
       <rindolf>  Black_Phoenix: do you mean that you would rather *be* a
                  web-site?
 <Black_Phoenix>  I'd rather website a blog
 <Black_Phoenix>  broken grammar time :D
     <ljuwaidah>  Black_Phoenix: when did website become a verb?
 <Black_Phoenix>  it didn't
 <Black_Phoenix>  I'm using it as a verb to produce nonsense
     <ljuwaidah>  I sense light!
     <ljuwaidah>  {I see}
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: http://www.google.com.om/
     <ljuwaidah>  rindolf: I know
       <rindolf>  If Google can do it - so can you.
     <ljuwaidah>  I don't use it
     <ljuwaidah>  'cause some services don't work on it
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: ah.
       <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: in any case, seems like one can register a
                  .com.om domain.

    -- The .om domain
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 <Quetzalcoatl_>  How do I write a computer vision program in C on a
                  microcontroller?
           <dyf>  Quetzalcoatl_: with a text editor?
 <Quetzalcoatl_>  Hmm.. Never thought of that. But which editor? Is
                  Notepad good enough?
         <mauke>  no, you need at least Wordpad
       <rindolf>  mauke: I suggest MS Word or at least OpenOffice.org
       <rindolf>  mauke: but in order to really be able to write well, you
                  need a desktop publishing program like Scribus or Adobe
                  FrameMaker.
               *  rindolf wonders which compiler will accept PDFs as
                  input.
       <waiting>  rindolf: /usr/bin/pdftotext
       <rindolf>  waiting: and pray.
       <rindolf>  There's an estoric programming language called Piet (I
                  think) that accepts images as input.

    -- How to write stylistic code
    -- ##programming, Freenode
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 <rindolf>  Deiu: which editor are you using?
    <Deiu>  Ugh, let me catch up with the convo first
    <Deiu>  And yeah, I use vim too
 <rindolf>  Deiu: ah good. If you were using Eight Megabytes And
            Continuously Swapping , I would have to swap you with it!
 <rindolf>  I have a column of vim tips on one of my blogs.
 <rindolf>  I also like Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.
 <rindolf>  There are a lot of jokes about Emacs.
     <Zuu>  There are lots of jokes about your mom too ;)
 <rindolf>  Zuu: eMom
     <Zuu>  eh?
 <rindolf>  e-Macs -> eMum
 <rindolf>  "Your Mom is so fat, only Emacs takes more memory than her."
     <Zuu>  nope, doesnt work
 <rindolf>  Zuu: :-(
     <Zuu>  Your emacs is so fat that your mom could fit in it
 <rindolf>  Heh.
     <Zuu>  ahhh, yes, much better
 <rindolf>  Zuu++
     <Zuu>  :P
       -->  dbm has joined ##programming
         *  rindolf stores some key/value pairs in dbm
         *  Zuu stores some moms in dbm
     <dbm>  lol
 <rindolf>  Zuu: you overflowed him.
     <Zuu>  :>
     <dbm>  ;)
 <rindolf>  Or her, don't know.
 <rindolf>  them.
     <dbm>  'him'
 <rindolf>  OK.
 <rindolf>  dbm: I don't recall your nick.
     <dbm>  dbm= dont bother me
 <rindolf>  don't be mean.
     <dbm>  ;)
     <Zuu>  or: do bother me

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                -->  xmler has joined ##programming
            <xmler>  Hi
            <xmler>  How can I do <a href="$variable">blah</a> in XSLT?
          <rindolf>  xmler: you can use <xsl:attribute>
          <rindolf>  xmler: or use ${...}
          <rindolf>  xmler: have you read the Zvon XSLT tutorial?
            <xmler>  rindolf: I've read various resources; perhaps it's
                     the fault of XML::XSLT on CPAN
          <rindolf>  xmler: use XML::LibXSLT instead.
          <rindolf>  It's faster and better.
              <Zuu>  <insert mean statement about XSLT>
              <Zuu>  :)
          <rindolf>  "XSLT is the work of Satan"
          <rindolf>  "It's the worst thing since non-sliced bread."
              <Zuu>  Hahaha :D
          <rindolf>  "Mothers used to tell their children about XSLT to
                     scare them."
            <xmler>  Haha
              <Zuu>  That last one is good
            <xmler>  XSLT seems pretty cool
              <Zuu>  xmler, no no, that's not mean
              <Zuu>  you're doing it wrong
              <Zuu>  :P
            <xmler>  XSLT is too cool to be mean to :p
              <Zuu>  Hehe
          <rindolf>  "XSLT is the number one cause of programmers'
                     suicides since Visual Basic 1.0"
 <tommy_the-dragon>  lol
              <Zuu>  :>
              <Zuu>  I could believe in that
          <rindolf>  "The X in XSLT stands for eXtermination."
          <rindolf>  "XSLT makes the baby jesus cry."
          <rindolf>  "The only things worse than XSLT are Excel and
                     sugarless tea."
 <tommy_the-dragon>  rofl
                  *  Zuu kinda likes Excel
          <rindolf>  Zuu: yes, it was a joke.
              <Zuu>  Noooh!
              <Zuu>  they are all true!
          <rindolf>  Now I'm out of ideas.
              <Zuu>  i havent even had a single idea yet..
          <rindolf>  "XSLT is what Chuck Norris has nightmares of."
              <Zuu>  Whoah!
              <Zuu>  wait.. that would somehow make XSLT cooler than Chuck
                     Norris...
              <Zuu>  Chuck Norris dont have mightmares
          <rindolf>  "Confucius e says: 'XSLT made me realise humanity was
                     hopeless."
              <Zuu>  "Even APL wont make friends with XSLT"
              <Zuu>  yay, i maded one!
          <rindolf>  "God considered using XSLT as the tenth plague of
                     Egypt, but thought it was too evil."
          <rindolf>  Zuu: :-)
              <Zuu>  Haha :D
              <Zuu>  that plauge one is awesome
          <rindolf>  "In Soviet Russia, XSLT codes you. Badly!"
          <rindolf>  "Satan condemned Hitler for a million years of
                     writing XSLT"
          <rindolf>  OK, back to work.
          <rindolf>  C - not XSLt.
              <Zuu>  :)
          <rindolf>  "The KGB used to torture their victims by having them
                     look at scrolling XSLT code"
            <xmler>  rindolf: lol, love the KGB + XSLT one
            <xmler>  rindolf: by the way, what's with the XSLT hate by the
                     way, is it some kind of meme? :p
                  *  Zuu gives xmler an XSLT interpreter written in XSLT
         <Jck_true>  I wanna make ASM code from XSLT
          <rindolf>  "My name is Inigo Montoya. You forced my father to
                     write XSLT. Prepare to die! And be thankful I don't
                     force you to write XSLT."
            <xmler>  Ah for gawd's sake. Can't install XML::LibXML, it
                     says I don't have libxml2 (I do)
          <rindolf>  xmler: do you have the -devel package?
          <rindolf>  xmler: what is your distro?
          <rindolf>  OS distro I mean.
            <xmler>  rindolf: Debian 4.0
            <xmler>  Ooh, perhaps I don't actually
          <rindolf>  xmler: ok, then apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl
                  *  Zuu have to go o/
          <rindolf>  xmler: maybe we should discuss it on #perl?
          <rindolf>  Zuu: bye
          <rindolf>  Zuu: and beware of stray XSLT code.
              <Zuu>  I will :P
          <rindolf>  Zuu: OK.
            <xmler>  rindolf: sure, uno memento :)

    -- Chuck Norris is out! XSLT is in!
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   <dazjorz>  rindolf!
   <dazjorz>  areth thou here?
   <rindolf>  Hi dazjorz
   <dazjorz>  :)
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: yes, I are here.
   <dazjorz>  isn't it kind of weird to have a programming channel when
              there are language specific channels around?
       <Zuu>  Muhah!
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: this is about programming in general.
   <rindolf>  At least theoretically.
   <rindolf>  And VB.NET questions.
 <joeyadams>  Well, ##programming is a good place to ask C questions and
              actually get helpful answers :)
   <dazjorz>  rindolf: did you intentionally make it look like vb.net is
              not programming?
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: meet Zuu - he's into Windows and D and stuff.
   <dazjorz>  !
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: no.
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: VB.NET is programming.
   <dazjorz>  hey Zuu, I'm dazjorz, I'm into linux and c and stuff.
   <rindolf>  But it has its own channel.
       <Zuu>  :>
   <dazjorz>  rindolf: I've been thinking about changing nicks
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: ah. so did I.
           *  Zuu is into everything sane, except the boring stuff
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: to what?
   <dazjorz>  rindolf: my current one is waaaay too lame, but "sjors" is
              probably too generic
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: I like dazjorz
   <dazjorz>  rindolf: I don't, because when people see my name is sjors,
              da zjorz is just too lame to bear
   <dazjorz>  rindolf: I was thinking about sjors, or some three-letter
              abbreviation of my name, sjg or so
       <Zuu>  how about.... 'carrot' ?
   <dazjorz>  I think I do prefer dazjorz over carrot
       <Zuu>  no worries, i promise not to stuff you up rindolf's tomato
              nose
       <Zuu>  hum :<
   <dazjorz>  Zuu: when I first read your nick on Shlomi's site five
              minutes ago, I asked him whether you were a mix between
              Zorix and Buu
   <dazjorz>  do you know the two?
   <rindolf>  Zoffix and buu.
       <Zuu>  nope
   <dazjorz>  uh zoffix yeah
   <dazjorz>  Zuu: okay, well, you don't know them, but believe me, I'm
              glad you're not a mix of the two, that would be horrible :P
       <Zuu>  im a mix of much worse personalities im sure
       <Zuu>  most of them just happen to cancel each other out

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          <rindolf>  dazjorz: I considered switching my default nick to
                     "shlomif", because that's how most people know me.
          <dazjorz>  rindolf: yeah, it's your alternative nick now right?
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: but then XChat2 reverted to the old nick and
                     I was too lazy.
           <unreal>  You seem to have many, well, stupid friends, rindolf
                     :P
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: yes, I have it registered.
          <rindolf>  unreal: stupid?
              <Zuu>  rindolf, noo! what to do about the tomato then? fish
                     dont have big tomato noses!
          <rindolf>  Zuu: fish?
          <rindolf>  Zuu: I'll give you a tomoato.
              <Zuu>  good question
          <rindolf>  I'll give you the tomato back.
              <Zuu>  where do i get fish from
              <Zuu>  no no, keep it :D
          <rindolf>  Zuu: my last name is Fish.
                  *  tommy_the-dragon slaps zuu with a fish
 <tommy_the-dragon>  there ya go
          <dazjorz>  rindolf: I just registered 'sjors'
                  *  rindolf gives a fish to Zuu
          <dazjorz>  rindolf: as a nick.
              <Zuu>  rindolf, thats just absurd, a reindeer with 'fish' as
                     surname...
              <Zuu>  your parents must have hated you
          <rindolf>  Open source: "everyone contributes a fish, and in
                     exchange everyone gets their own ocean."
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: ah, cool.
              <Zuu>  tommy_the-dragon, does dragons eat other animals,
                     like fish?
           <unreal>  Ocean == Big Momma's Bath?
          <rindolf>  Zuu: I'm not a reindeer - I just play one on T.V.
 <tommy_the-dragon>  not fish...
 <tommy_the-dragon>  just reindeers
              <Zuu>  tommy_the-dragon, what about fake TV reindeers ?
              <Zuu>  Nice :D
          <rindolf>  unreal: no, the whole enchilada.
          <rindolf>  tommy_the-dragon: LOL.
 <tommy_the-dragon>  and enchiladas
          <dazjorz>  rindolf: I know someone whose nick is Stonehead, he
                     made his three-letter acronym stn, but usually it's
                     letters from the first name
          <dazjorz>  uh
          <dazjorz>  the full name
          <dazjorz>  yours could be shf for example, and everybody would
                     know "hey, that's shlomi"
          <dazjorz>  but I'm at most sg, so I need to borrow another
                     letter somewhere, or make it daz or just sjors
                  *  dazjorz thinks
 <tommy_the-dragon>  my cat eats flies...
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: I hate these three letter acronyms.
              <Zuu>  shlomi really sounds like some dish made of reindeer
 <tommy_the-dragon>  but hes lucky because i dont eat cats
          <rindolf>  Zuu: heh.
           <unreal>  heh
          <rindolf>  tommy_the-dragon: I didn't know dragons had cats.
          <dazjorz>  what's the name of the red-nosed reindeer again?
              <Zuu>  it sounds edible at least
          <dazjorz>  oh rudolf :)
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: Randolph.
          <dazjorz>  oh
           <unreal>  I used to have a friend whos nick was "crap"
          <rindolf>  unreal: wow.
          <dazjorz>  <someguy> crap, someone stole my bicycle
          <dazjorz>  <crap> ok?
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: heh.
          <dazjorz>  rindolf: why don't you like the three-letter
                     acronyms?
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: often too confusing.
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: and two easy to mistype.
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: and not too memorable.
           <unreal>  LIS.
          <dazjorz>  three easy to mistype, I think
          <rindolf>  And often hard to pronounce.
          <dazjorz>  maybe I'll just go with sjors
          <rindolf>  too easy. Freudian.
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: yes, I think that's a good idea.
           <unreal>  (Lies, I say!)
          <dazjorz>  hehe, rindolf++ # freudian
              <Zuu>  or you could pick something girly and hope people
                     will treat you nicer :)
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: have you played with the farnsworth bot yet?
          <rindolf>  Zuu: RinGirl
          <rindolf>  Though nicks with "Girl " in them tend to draw too
                     much attention.
              <Zuu>  nah, it cant contain 'girl' that just seems fake
          <dazjorz>  rindolf: I have
          <dazjorz>  rindolf: remind me to fix knotify, khtml, and quassel
                     :(
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: nice.
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: using MemoServ?
          <dazjorz>  rindolf: the bugs annoy me, a lot, but I never get
                     around to actually trying to fix them
          <rindolf>  Zuu: maybe I should call myself "shlomi". Americans
                     will think I'm a girl.
              <Zuu>  yeah, it kinda have a girlish sound to it
          <dazjorz>  rindolf: call yourself shloma, dutch people will
                     think you're over sixty and female
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: heh.
          <dazjorz>  let me rephase that
          <dazjorz>  dutch people will think you're female... and over
                     sixty
          <dazjorz>  (oma = grandma)
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: ah.
           <unreal>  kloot.
          <rindolf>  In Hebrew nouns that end with "ah" tend to be
                     feminine.
          <dazjorz>  shlomah?
          <rindolf>  Seriously now, if I change my nick it will be to
                     shlomif.
          <dazjorz>  let's change our nicks at the same time
          <rindolf>  Well, in Shlomi's case it would be Shlomith.
          <dazjorz>  I will be sjors, you will be shlomif
          <rindolf>  dazjorz: OK.
                  *  rindolf is now known as shlomif
          <dazjorz>  shit, now I have to
              <Zuu>  what does shlimif even mean ?
                  *  dazjorz is now known as sjors
            <sjors>  Zuu: shlomi = his first name, f = the first letter of
                     his last name
          <shlomif>  sjors: hi.
          <shlomif>  Zuu: shlomi fish.
            <sjors>  hi shlomif
          <shlomif>  Hi sjors
 <tommy_the-dragon>  where does rindolf come into it?
          <shlomif>  sjors: my nick is longer than yours.
              <Zuu>  oh lol, and i just said his name sound girly :P
                  *  Zuu pat pats shlomif ^^
          <shlomif>  tommy_the-dragon: Rindolf was a dwarven warrior I
                     played in AD&D.
 <tommy_the-dragon>  ahh ok
                  *  shlomif gives Zuu his tomato back.
              <Zuu>  :<
          <shlomif>  Since I'm no longer a reindeer.
            <sjors>  shlomif: that's just to compensate against something
                     you have that's way shorter than mine
          <shlomif>  sjors: LOL.
          <shlomif>  sjors++
              <Zuu>  Erhmm.. shlomif! how come there's this big hole in
                     it?
 <tommy_the-dragon>  sorry...
 <tommy_the-dragon>  my bad
              <Zuu>  Hehe
                  *  shlomif doesn't like raw tomatoes.
          <shlomif>  But I eat them with pasta, etc.
          <shlomif>  Or as meat sauce.
              <Zuu>  or in sandwiches
          <shlomif>  sjors: anyway, welcome to ##programming
              <Zuu>  or on reindeer nose
          <shlomif>  sjors: I'll probably revert to "rindolf" after next
                     disconnect.
          <shlomif>  Zuu: after you cook the entire reindeer.
                  *  shlomif is a reindeer cannibal.
          <shlomif>  Well, rindolf is.
              <Zuu>  yes, but he ran away
          <shlomif>  I also like dried and olive oiled tomatoes.
            <sjors>  shlomif: I just changed my clients' settings to
                     reconnect as sjors, too
          <shlomif>  Well, I think I'll go to sleep.
          <shlomif>  sjors: ah.
            <sjors>  shlomif: it'll probably take a while to "adapt" to
                     sjors instead of dazjorz
          <shlomif>  sjors: well, enjoy your new nick.
            <sjors>  and I still have dazjorz.com, and not sjors.anything
                  *  Zuu tugs shlomif in
            <sjors>  thanks ;)
          <shlomif>  Zuu: thanks.
                  *  Zuu quicly squeeses a fresh tomato onto shlomif's
                     nose
            <sjors>  shlomif: sjors.biz and sjors.mobi at most
                  *  shlomif doesn't have rindolf.{com,org,net} etc.
          <shlomif>  sjors: maybe sjors.in
          <shlomif>  I got a shlom.in
            <sjors>  sjors.indahou.se
          <shlomif>  sjors: heh.
            <sjors>  sjors.ac, sjors.ag, sjors.am, sjors.at
            <sjors>  hehe sjors.me
            <sjors>  sjors.pl, too bad i don't really do perl anymore
          <shlomif>  sjors: there's also .sh
            <sjors>  sjors.sh, too bad I don't really do shell script a
                     lot
          <shlomif>  Or .im
            <sjors>  sjors.tv, too bad I don't really watch..
 <tommy_the-dragon>  do you own a mobile?
          <shlomif>  .tv are pretty costly.
            <sjors>  meh I don't like sjors. anyway, so I'll just keep
                     dazjorz for everything
 <tommy_the-dragon>  yeah whats with that (the price of .tv)?
          <shlomif>  tommy_the-dragon: it's the foundation of the economy
                     of Tuvaly.

    -- Reindeers, Tomatoes and Normalising Nicks
    -- ##programming, Freenode
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               *  rindolf tries to think what can cause the KDE 4 SNAFU on
                  his user.
       <rindolf>  And hopefully to avoid bissecting the KDE 4 config tree.
           <Zuu>  snafu... that wounds like a delicious cake :D
           <Zuu>  *sounds
       <rindolf>  Zuu: Situation Normal - All F****ed up.
           <Zuu>  :/
               *  Zuu gives the snafu cake to Dmage :D
           <Zuu>  Dmage, just eat the cake already
         <Dmage>  Zuu, are you hate my english? ;)
           <Zuu>  i hate your non-english
 <Black_Phoenix>  I english your hate
         <Dmage>  xD
           <Zuu>  Dmage, but i dont hate you! :D
 <Black_Phoenix>  and now I can do that
         <Dmage>  Zuu, learn russian then! :)
           <Zuu>  Hehe
           <Zuu>  Dmage, i think you'd hate my russion far more than i
                  would ever hate your english
       <rindolf>  Spasiva.
         <Dmage>  xD
         <Dmage>  learn 'Eto huinya!'
               *  Zuu steals the snafu cake back from Dmage and gives it
                  to rindolf instead
         <Dmage>  and apply everywhere
               *  rindolf eats the SNAFU cake
           <Zuu>  :D
               *  rindolf eats Zuu's Danish too.
           <Zuu>  Noooh!
               *  rindolf loves Zuu's Danish.
       <rindolf>  Yum yum.
           <Zuu>  tis mine!
           <Zuu>  My daaaanish :'(
       <rindolf>  My precioussssssssss!
           <Zuu>  tis gone :<

    -- SNAFU Cake
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 <rindolf>  What should I do now?
 <rindolf>  I'll work on Text-Qantor.
 <rindolf>  It's so great not to have a job.
     <Zuu>  yeah, if someone else pays for the food it sure is :D
     <Zuu>  also, i dont really understand much of what you just told me
            :P
         *  Zuu puts a stick into the Text-Qantor
 <rindolf>  Zuu: Qantor == Qantor ain't no TeX/Troff oh really.
 <rindolf>  It's a typesetting system I'm working on.
         *  Zuu hates the name
     <Zuu>  it makes me kinda mad actually :/
 <rindolf>  Zuu: :-)
 <rindolf>  Zuu: maybe it will grow on you.
 <rindolf>  Zuu: some people I know named a browser suckass.
     <Zuu>  :(
 <rindolf>  I refused to work on it.
     <Zuu>  see that's a name!
 <rindolf>  Zuu: heh.
     <Zuu>  i didnt mean that btw :)
     <Zuu>  suckass is kinda... unkind
 <rindolf>  OK, now I should write an
            http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/XSLT/
            transformation.
 <rindolf>  I'll start from something I already have.
     <Zuu>  But the "X ain't no <something related>" is just a lame naming
            convention imho
     <Zuu>  yeah, work on some XSLT facts :D
 <rindolf>  Zuu: just call it Qantor then.
 <rindolf>  Without the mnemonics.
     <Zuu>  but anyone interrested will learn that it's an abbreviation
     <Zuu>  just by the fact that it's recursive makes me want to kill
            myself a little bit more :P
 <rindolf>  Zuu: do me a break and kill yourself.
     <Zuu>  :>
 <rindolf>  Less Zuus - more grass for evil reindeers like me to feed on.

    -- What is Qantor?
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   <rindolf>  Pythack now was able to get the fc-solve test suite up and
              running.
       <Zuu>  eh?!
           *  Zuu solves rindolf
   <rindolf>  Zuu: http://fc-solve.berlios.de/
   <rindolf>  Zuu: I am not solvable.
   <rindolf>  I am Turing hard.
       <Zuu>  :S
           *  Zuu never heard of anything called 'turing hard'
 <joeyadams>  lol. Zuu's probabilistic, so maybe he can solve you.
       <Zuu>  but i guess i have now
 <joeyadams>  Formal definition of Turing hard: blah blah blah hard blah
              blah Turing blah.
       <Zuu>  Hahahaha :D
 <joeyadams>  Wikipedia: Given a set X in P(N), a set A in N is called
              Turing hard for X if X <=_T A for all X in X. If
              additionally A is in X, then A is called Turing complete for
              X.
 <joeyadams>  Does that clarify?
 <joeyadams>  (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_reduction for the
              actual math symbols)
           *  joeyadams assumes you get the point
       <Zuu>  yeah, i think i'll have to put significant time into that,
              for me to comprehend it :)
       <Zuu>  but maybe i will, some day :P
 <joeyadams>  My point is that people like to use mumbo jumbo to describe
              more concise mumbo jumbo.
 <joeyadams>  E.g. A problem is NP-hard if it is at least as hard as all
              the problems in NP.
       <Zuu>  i undersstand enough of it, to be fairly confident that
              rindolf being turing hard, will not say much about his
              ability to be solved
 <joeyadams>  I'm guessing Turing-hard means you can't solve a problem
              with a Turing machine (e.g. the halting problem)
 <joeyadams>  (substitute Turing machine with "your computer" :) )
       <Zuu>  no, turing hard has something to do with expressiveness
 <joeyadams>  okay, Zuu > joeyadams, so I can't help you :)
           *  Zuu tickles joeyadams ^^
 <joeyadams>  A delicious apple is any fruit ∈ apple that is at least as
              tasty as any other fruit ∈ apple.
 <joeyadams>  In other words, apples are in the set of recursively
              nommable fruits.
   <rindolf>  joeyadams: what's up?
 <joeyadams>  I'm babbling.
   <rindolf>  joeyadams: Apple is one of my least favourite fruits.
           *  Zuu watches a number of apples that recursively NOM's
              eathother
   <rindolf>  It tends to be too commonplace.
   <rindolf>  Or simpleton.
 <joeyadams>  whoops, my logic is incorrect
 <joeyadams>  Only delicious apples are ∈ the nommable fruits.
 <joeyadams>  (recursively is just a word you throw in to sound smart)
           *  Zuu NOMs joeyadams :>
   <rindolf>  joeyadams: a friend of one of my sisters said that Apple is
              his favourite fruit.
   <rindolf>  Ta-zuu!
           *  joeyadams has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection nommed by
              peer))
       <Zuu>  yeah, unfortunately a lot of people throw with a lot of
              words to sound smart :/
       <Zuu>  my favourite fruit is a recursive banana!
 <joeyadams>  although it certainly helps to use complex terminology to
              solve complex problems. As Aristophanes said, "High thoughts
              must have high language."
       <Zuu>  .. along with immutable polymorphic pears
 <joeyadams>  Zuu> I guess you have to peel it indefinitely?
 <joeyadams>  lol
       <Zuu>  Hahah, yeah :P
 <joeyadams>  I tend to eat bananas in deterministic polynomial time.
       <Zuu>  i eat them in linear time, but uses exponential space
 <joeyadams>  lol
   <rindolf>  Heh.
 <joeyadams>  eww

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 <ljuwaidah>  yo ecere!!
       <Zuu>  yay, life :)
           *  Zuu tickles ljuwaidah
           *  ljuwaidah punches zuu in the face
           *  Zuu starts crying :'(
   <rindolf>  Fight!
   <rindolf>  Fight! Fight!
           *  Zuu runs home to mommy
   <rindolf>  Let's get ready to rumble!!!
           *  ljuwaidah punches rindolf in the face
 <ljuwaidah>  for encouraging the fight, that is
       <Zuu>  hehe
           *  rindolf uses his Evil Antlers to summon a squadron of Chuck
              Norrises.
       <Zuu>  oh my!
           *  rindolf unleashes the Chuck Norrises upon ljuwaidah
           *  ljuwaidah uses his anti-chuck-norrise spell
       <Zuu>  those anterls must be the most evil thing in the entire
              universe
       <Zuu>  *antlers
   <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: your spell only works on one chuck norris at a
              day.
   <rindolf>  And I have 119 more.
   <rindolf>  Finish him!
       <Zuu>  i wonder what will happen if one Chuck Norris accidently
              punches another
 <ljuwaidah>  rindolf: then lemme use my duplication spell to make more of
              myself so THEY can use the spell
   <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: heh.
   <rindolf>  ljuwaidah++
 <ljuwaidah>  thanks :D
   <rindolf>  ljuwaidah: two can play this game.
           *  rindolf runs his recursive copying spell making lots of Evil
              rindolf reindeers exponentially.
   <rindolf>  Like Bacteria.
 <ljuwaidah>  darn! i didn't see that coming
 <ljuwaidah>  but you also forgot that if _I_ can duplicate myself then so
              can my duplicates B-)

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            <ispy_>  hi gang.
            <ispy_>  I'm a n00b programmer and think I should learn A and
                     B before C, right?
          <std_orb>  ispy_: General understanding should come before that.
            <ispy_>  std_orb: I have no idea what I'm doing...
          <std_orb>  ispy_: I can see that
                  *  ispy_ kicks the dirt...
 <tommy_the-dragon>  ive been meaning to get into it
            <ispy_>  Is C like JavaScript?
            <ispy_>  Same thing right?
 <tommy_the-dragon>  ispy_: lol
          <rindolf>  ispy_: Perl is more like C than JS is.
            <ispy_>  rindolf: Never heard of Perl... I should google that.
          <rindolf>  ispy_: use Bing search instead.
          <rindolf>  Or Altavista.
         <Terminus>  rindolf: i see.
            <ispy_>  rindolf, std_orb, tommy_the-dragon ... thanks for the
                     pointers :)
          <rindolf>  ispy_: you should learn Intercal, it's the most
                     expressive language possible.
            <ispy_>  rindolf: Sounds exciting!
         <Terminus>  intercal... lol!
            <ispy_>  haha
            <ispy_>  ok ok ok... I can't continue this... I'm practically
                     laughing my ass off at my desk.
          <rindolf>  :-)
            <ispy_>  hehe

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     <Zuu>  Hai all
 <rindolf>  Zuu: hai hai.
 <rindolf>  Zuu: what's up , kit?
 <rindolf>  Zuu: or what are you , I forgot?
     <Zuu>  Hai rindolf :D
 <rindolf>  I am a reindeer.
 <rindolf>  But also a Llama.
 <rindolf>  And a cat.
     <Zuu>  I'm a Zuu
 <rindolf>  And a fish naturally.
 <rindolf>  Zuu: ah , OK.
     <Zuu>  :D
         *  rindolf creates a Zoo of Zuus
     <Zuu>  ^^
 <rindolf>  Are you the master Zuu?
 <rindolf>  Like Q is the master of the Q's in Star Trek?
     <Zuu>  i think im the only Zuu
 <rindolf>  Oh, one of a kind.
     <Zuu>  Which is kinda sad really :(
     <Zuu>  Who am i supposed to mate with?
 <rindolf>  Reminds me of
            http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml
 <rindolf>  Though I need to add that part.
 <rindolf>  Let me do it now.
     <Zuu>  whatever webserver you use, it doesnt provide the right
            mimetype... At least IE 8 dont attempt to render the document
 <rindolf>  Zuu: you cannot using IE 8
 <rindolf>  Zuu: you need Firefox.
 <rindolf>  Zuu: it's application/xml+xhtml
 <rindolf>  Or Opera.
     <Zuu>  well, it indeed is the right mimetype... stupid IE
     <Zuu>  well, my FF crashed, so i just use IE when that happens
 <rindolf>  Zuu: ah.
 <rindolf>  FF crashed?
 <rindolf>  How strange.
 <rindolf>  Maybe you have a bad plugin.
     <Zuu>  It does that around 6 times a day
 <rindolf>  Not an extension - a plugin.
 <rindolf>  Ah, really.
 <rindolf>  Something is wrong in the Zuuniverse.
 <rindolf>  Or Zuumputer.
     <Zuu>  nah, i suspect one of the tabs are just doing some strange
            stuff
     <Zuu>  memory leaking javascript ro something like that
     <Zuu>  it is kinda starting to annoy me
     <Zuu>  but with 90 - 120 tabs, it would take quite a while to find
            out what tab it is
     <Zuu>  you might consider starting your articles, or whatever this
            is, with an introduction telling what it's about
 <rindolf>  Zuu:
            http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml#the-angry-demon
 <rindolf>  Zuu: it's not an article - these are random ideas for a
            screenplay.
 <rindolf>  Zuu: but I'll write an intro.
     <Zuu>  start the page with "Here are some of my random ideas for a
            screen play im writing:"
     <Zuu>  at LEAST!
     <Zuu>  you cant just jump right into something without giving _any_
            indication ow what the reader can expect
     <Zuu>  it simply doesnt make any sense as it is now
     <Zuu>  you could just as well have posted a log of ljuwidah talking
            :P
 <rindolf>  Zuu: thanks.
     <Zuu>  :)
 <rindolf>  Zuu:
            http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml#intro
 <rindolf>  Interactive Web!
     <Zuu>  i think you have forgottoen to define the #intro anchor
 <rindolf>  Zuu: reload.
 <rindolf>  Zuu: it's there.
     <Zuu>  hah, caches... :P
     <Zuu>  :D
 <rindolf>  Pesky things.
 <rindolf>  Evil reindeers don't like caches.
 <rindolf>  Neither do cats.
 <rindolf>  I'm an evil reindeer but a good cat.
     <Zuu>  Hehe
 <rindolf>  Don't know how it works.
 <rindolf>  I guess good and evil are relative.
 <rindolf>  Or actually I wore a helmet of alignment change.

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      <Zuu>  Hi rindolf :)
  <rindolf>  Hi Zuu
  <rindolf>  Zuu: I've been thinking that maybe you can find some
             corresponding Zuus of the appropriate sex in a different
             dimension.
      <Zuu>  hmmm... interresting!
  <rindolf>  Zuu: are you a heterosexual Zuu or a homosexual one?
      <Zuu>  Im not sure what sex I am.
  <rindolf>  Zuu: ah.
      <Zuu>  :P
  <rindolf>  Zuu: you can look.
  <rindolf>  Zuu: in the mirror or something.
  <rindolf>  Zuu: don't you have obligatory genders in Danish/
  <rindolf>  ?
  <rindolf>  Like in German, French, etc.
  <rindolf>  Or Hebrew and Arabic.
      <Zuu>  obligatory genders?
      <Zuu>  you mean, the genders in linguistics?
          *  Zuu never understood those
      <Zuu>  but Danish have two i believe, and if i remember correctly
             there is female and 'none'
  <rindolf>  Zuu: yes, genders in linguistics.
      <Zuu>  i dont remember what which is which though :P
  <rindolf>  Like in Hebrew "Haben Halakh lagan" - the boy went to the
             garden. "Habath Halkha lagan" - "The girl went to the garden"
 <c_sphere>  That almost sounds like allah akbar
      <Zuu>  rindolf, no we dont distinct between the genders of the
             subject in the danish language
      <Zuu>  our nouns have genders though
 <c_sphere>  zuu-nina?
      <Zuu>  like 'house' is one gender and 'car' is another
  <rindolf>  Zuu: of course the question is - what language do Zuus speak
             natively?
 <c_sphere>  rindolf: Of course, Zuu speaks Zuu!
  <rindolf>  Zuuish?
 <c_sphere>  The Zulu population also does not speak Zuluish, just Zulu.
      <Zuu>  so if you want to say 'the house' its 'huse_t_' and if you
             want to say 'the car' its 'bile_n_'
  <rindolf>  c_sphere: Arnavoth (sounds like an Aztec god) is "Hares" (the
             Rabbit-like mammal) in Hebrew.
  <rindolf>  Zuu: can you understand Swedish?
 <c_sphere>  Aemeth
      <Zuu>  rindolf, some :)
  <rindolf>  Zuu: ah.
      <Zuu>  swedish branched from danish afaik
      <Zuu>  same with norwegian
      <Zuu>  yes, Zuu's speak Zuuish nativley :P
          *  rindolf is listening to Hans Zimmer - Jack Sparrow
  <rindolf>  Zuu: ah.
      <Zuu>  Zuuish have few words, all of which is based on words about
             cake from othre languages :P
      <Zuu>  c_sphere, are you by any chance related to s_cube ?
  <rindolf>  Zuu: ah, what do you use the Hebrew word "עוגיה" (= `ugiyah,
             cookie) for?
  <rindolf>  "Chocolate chip pie crust marmalade marzipan cookie yum yum!"
      <Zuu>  i use it for cookies baked from a hebrew recipe :P
  <rindolf>  What does it mean in Zuuish?
      <Zuu>  it's hard to really say something in Zuuish... al you can
             really do is say something equivalent to "COOKIES!!"
      <Zuu>  or "YAY CAKE!"
      <Zuu>  basically, you can only express excitement over different
             kinds of cakes :P
  <rindolf>  Zuu: do Zuus eat anything except cakes or cookies?
      <Zuu>  There was this one time...
      <Zuu>  wait.. no. That was someone else.

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  <rindolf>  Chekov: I disagere with what ESR says in TAOUP that you
             shouldn't apply factor optimisations. I think they can make a
             very large difference.
  <rindolf>  Chekov: he seems to imply you should wait until computers are
             fast enough.
  <rindolf>  Problem is people don't want to upgrade and if a competing
             program (maybe a fork ) is much faster, then some of them
             will switch.
  <rindolf>  Programs being speedy is one thing that makes me happy.
  <rindolf>  I love all the work the KDE people did in making KDE-4.6.0
             fast.
 <vanguard>  rindolf: awesome blog link!
  <rindolf>  And I enjoy the fact that Pidgin is much faster than Kopete
             (and also less buggy).
  <rindolf>  I've used Kopete for far too long.
  <osoleve>  rindolf: switch to Irssi and Bitlbee! :D
  <rindolf>  vanguard: yes.
  <rindolf>  vanguard: though they failed on Google Wave.
  <rindolf>  osoleve: nah, I like Pidgin.
  <rindolf>  osoleve: it's fast enough for me.
  <rindolf>  osoleve: and I also prefer XChat.
  <osoleve>  but is it nerdy enough?
  <rindolf>  osoleve: I'm not trying to be a Ubergeek.
  <rindolf>  osoleve: real men use Xmonad!
 <vanguard>  Hey, it is not Uber but Über ... :D
  <rindolf>  real programmers use butterflies.
   <Chekov>  real programmers are Tao
  <osoleve>  real programmers flip bits by hand
   <Chekov>  real programmers speak assembly
  <rindolf>  Chuck Norris is a real programmer who implements the most
             optimised machines for solving a problem out of physical
             atoms.
 <vanguard>  real programmers use a nice editor and a programming language
             and get done in less than O(N!)

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        <wes_>  tell me how can u print a message without using a
                semicolon in the printg statement
     <rindolf>  wes_: in C?
     <rindolf>  wes_: do you mean the printf(...) statement?
        <wes_>  yes
     <rindolf>  wes_: you cannot without using macros I think.
     <rindolf>  wes_: and don't use macros for that.
        <wes_>  i mean without using a semicolon at the printf statement
                but you have to use printf only
     <rindolf>  wes_: why would you want to do that?
     <rindolf>  wes_: what do you have against semicolons?
     <rindolf>  Some of my best friends are semicolons.
  <lulzfish_4>  semicolons got me where I am today man
     <rindolf>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicolon
     <rindolf>  lulzfish_4: heh.
     <rindolf>  "I owe it all to semicolons."
  <amigojapan>  hey rindolf lulzfish_4
     <rindolf>  Hi amigojapan
     <rindolf>  amigojapan: what's up?
             *  rindolf gives a semicolon to amigojapan
             *  amigojapan returns a whitespace to rindolf
     <rindolf>  amigojapan: that's not fair trade.
     <rindolf>  But I'll treasure the whitespace.
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: a whitespace is just as valuable as a semicolon
                in python :)
     <rindolf>  amigojapan: aren't semicolons optional in Py?
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: I think they are
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: actually, a whitespace can be as valuable as 2
                curly braces :)
     <rindolf>  amigojapan: heh.
     <rindolf>  amigojapan: you need 4 spaces to distinguish stuff
                properly.
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: one thing I never got about python is why they
                need the : after if and for statements....
             *  PythonSnake gives a colon to rindolf
 <PythonSnake>  :)
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: actually, I preffer using tabs to 4 spacess...
     <rindolf>  PythonSnake: thanks for the colon.
 <PythonSnake>  rindolf: lol
     <rindolf>  PythonSnake: I'll give you a « and a » in exchange.
 <PythonSnake>  lol
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: the fact that you dont have a rule to how much
                white space you must use to indent in python, I think is a
                bad thing...
             *  PythonSnake finds a interrobang
 <PythonSnake>  :)
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: if it is 4 spaces then fine, but make it a rule
                so it is consistent
      <GeDaMo>  ‽
 <PythonSnake>  lol
 <PythonSnake>  ‽
 <PythonSnake>  ∴
 <PythonSnake>  ‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡
     <rindolf>  ¿
 <PythonSnake>  ₳ ฿ ₵ ¢ ₡ ₢ ₠ $ ₫ ৳ ₯ € ƒ ₣ ₲ ₴ ₭ ℳ ₥ ₦ ₧ ₱ ₰
 <PythonSnake>  :)
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: oh, now you are speaking spanish
     <rindolf>  amigojapan: :-)
 <PythonSnake>  all: :)
     <rindolf>  ¡I am!
  <amigojapan>  うるさいよ 文字化け
 <PythonSnake>  Jag förvrängd bullriga
 <PythonSnake>  איך גאַרבאַלד טומלדיק
 <PythonSnake>  :)
  <amigojapan>  ah, hebrew
  <amigojapan>  hir something....
 <PythonSnake>  º, ª
  <amigojapan>  man, I forgot how to read hebrew
     <rindolf>  amigojapan: איך גאַרבאַלד טומלדיק seems like Yiddish.
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: ah, ok.... can you change it into roman letters
                for me?
     <rindolf>  amigojapan: Ich Garbald Tomldiq.
  <amigojapan>  ich would be I
  <amigojapan>  I think I only know curse words in yuddish :P
 <PythonSnake>  ich bin masaru
  <lulzfish_4>  ich bin ein berlinner
             *  rindolf is eating watermelon.
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: save a piece for me :)
     <rindolf>  amigojapan: I'll save a semicolon for you.
       <PiX3L>  rindolf: For me too. :)
  <amigojapan>  rindolf: a semicolon looks alot like twso pits of a
                watermellon
             *  amigojapan steals PiX3L 's piece

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      <Endiannes>  vinleod, Yes, he wants to find a solution which yields
                   a point 10 units away, your solution yields a point,
                   exactly 7.66044 units away
      <Endiannes>  vinleod, Oh wait
      <Endiannes>  vinleod, I'm an idiot, didnt factor out cos
      <Endiannes>  vinleod, Yes you're right.
                *  Endiannes kicks calculator
        <vinleod>  hehe, I was in the process of writing a python script
                   to prove it.
                *  speedrunnerG55 picks up Endianness calculator
 <speedrunnerG55>  NEVER KICK YOUR CALCULATOR
        <CryWolf>  Kicking your calculator is a sin
      <Endiannes>  At least its not a cos.
        <vinleod>  but you should at least get a tan
        <rindolf>  Heh.

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 <monsterwizard>  Ok so I know javascript, php, perl in some detail.
                  However, I want to become good at one. I was thinking
                  Perl?
       <rindolf>  monsterwizard: roll a die.
 <monsterwizard>  rindolf the die showed a 7 :S
       <rindolf>  monsterwizard: heh.
           <hmm>  lol
       <rindolf>  monsterwizard: strange die.
           <hmm>  throw away the die
               *  rindolf throws the die at hmm
               *  hmm catches
       <rindolf>  die, die, die!
               *  hmm wants to live
       <rindolf>  hmm: but the die wants to die.
       <rindolf>  Take it out of its misery.
           <hmm>  who knows, even the die isn't ready to die
       <rindolf>  hmm: dice should be diced.
       <rindolf>  dice on ice.
           <hmm>  yeah, go dice the dice

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                  *  hackerhackingcan (~hackingca@117.202.19.189) has
                     joined ##programming
 <hackerhackingcan>  Hi friends
 <hackerhackingcan>  I am also new to hacking
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: hi.
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: I hope you mean software
                     development - not computer intrusion.
 <hackerhackingcan>  what means intrusion?
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: it means breaking into other
                     people's systems.
 <hackerhackingcan>  I want to hack the internet websites like google and
                     facebook
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: hack?
 <hackerhackingcan>  can you help please?
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: hack into?
 <hackerhackingcan>  yes I am new but I will try and learn
 <hackerhackingcan>  but can you help me rindolf?
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: we won't help you break into
                     systems.
             <pkkm>  wut? hack into google?
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: with what?
 <hackerhackingcan>  hack into facebook google and internet
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: we build systems - not break them.
 <hackerhackingcan>  please?
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan:
                     http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/script-kiddie.html
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: if you want to learn how to
                     program, we can help you.
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: but trying to break into computer
                     systems will only get you in trouble.
 <hackerhackingcan>  I can do programming in html
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: HTML is not a programming language.
 <hackerhackingcan>  is that enough for hacking?
          <vinleod>  hackerhackingcan: There's no such things as
                     programming in HTML.
 <hackerhackingcan>  I can also do hacks in cmd
          <vinleod>  Ah, a script kiddie.
 <hackerhackingcan>  what you mean by scrpt kiddie?
 <hackerhackingcan>  ok now I know
 <hackerhackingcan>  you all dont want other people to know about hacking
 <hackerhackingcan>  so you say like this
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan:
                     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_kiddie
 <hackerhackingcan>  so you abused me by calling me script kiddie?
 <hackerhackingcan>  When I become a good hacker I will hack you also
          <vinleod>  hackerhackingcan: Good luck with that. bye bye.
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: OK, you have been warned.
 <hackerhackingcan>  why warn?
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: try hacking into the IP address
                     127.0.0.1
          <vinleod>  hackerhackingcan: I bet you can't log into that
                     computer and delete all of its files.
           <luke_c>  hackerhackingscan: After that, try to DDOS
                     192.168.1.1
 <hackerhackingcan>  is 127.0.0.1 your ip?
          <Ethelim>  why'd you give him my iP ffs?
          <Ethelim>  don't try it, you wouldn't get in anyway. I have it
                     locked down tightly
          <vinleod>  hackerhackingcan: So, here's the situation. We don't
                     condone illegal activity. We don't suggest that
                     people attempt illegal activity. We don't like people
                     who do illegal activity. We a programmers. We like to
                     write programs. We like to solve interesting
                     problems. We like to solve interesting puzzles.
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: if you haven't noticed, I've become
                     op.
          <rindolf>  hackerhackingcan: and I can /kick you and /kickban
                     you.
          <vinleod>  hackerhackingcan: Now, if you'd like be a good,
                     productive member of society and learn to program, we
                     can help with that, but we won't spoon feed you
                     either.
 <hackerhackingcan>  hahah whose is this ip 192.168.1.1? Your password is
                     admin haha
          <Ethelim>  is he for real?
          <vinleod>  Ethelim: I doubt it.
 <hackerhackingcan>  192.168.1.1 I am changing your password then call me
                     kid
          <rindolf>  Ethelim: he seems like a bad troll.
          <rindolf>  But an amusing one.
         <jrslepak>  rindolf: depends on how many times you've heard the
                     joke in the recent past
          <Ethelim>  dude, you wouldn't get in there. And even if you did
                     all you'd be able to do is reset the guy's connection
 <hackerhackingcan>  I will reset it
                  *  Ethelim waits for "someone's" closed connection
              <mst>  "Quit: Leaving"
          <vinleod>  I saw that coming a mile away/
      <JabbaWokiee>  lol
              <mst>  not an actual fell-off-the-internet
              <mst>  reasonable exit though
              <mst>  oh, and now he's back with a new nick

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          <oilio>  so what the point of hashes, can't we just use void
                   pointers to key/val ?
        <rindolf>  oilio: hashes as in hash tables?
          <oilio>  yes
        <rindolf>  oilio: OK.
        <rindolf>  oilio: they are one way to efficiently implement the
                   dictionary Abstract Data Type (ADT).
        <rindolf>  oilio: a hash table can store more than one key , value
                   pair.
          <oilio>  yeah, I read about it in the wikipedia
        <rindolf>  oilio: and you can lookup a value based on a key
                   efficiently.
         <arubin>  Linear search is good enough for everyone.
          <oilio>  indolf: what if the hole table wont fit in the memory?
          <oilio>  RAM
         <arubin>  Swap.
         <arubin>  Amazon S3.
 <imlearningyacc>  well if no ram and no swap no allocation
         <arubin>  We have the whole Internet for our tables.
 <imlearningyacc>  well
      <diminoten>  ask reddit how that worked out
         <arubin>  And remember, /dev/null is web-scale.
 <imlearningyacc>  yea, I store all my data in /dev/null
        <rindolf>  oilio: then you'll need to use a more sophisticated
                   (and slower) data structure that can offload to disk.
         <arubin>  It is really fast.
         <arubin>  I use the Boost libraries for /dev/null too.
         <arubin>  And I use async writes to /dev/null.
        <rindolf>  arubin: heh.
      <diminoten>  don't want to get into resource contention when using
                   /dev/null
                *  rindolf uses /dev/null for backups.
      <diminoten>  only so much null to go around

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 <jparkton>  and ya know. I bet if one distro popped an i in front like
             iUbunt, iFedora or some jazz about 300 million people would
             shell out astronomical amounts of money just to have one
             before anyone else
    <WinNY>  Macs are evil.
 <impulse9>  iCry
   <jercos>  iDerp
 <jparkton>  iFail
 <jparkton>  iStone
 <impulse9>  iQuack
 <jparkton>  iFap
    <Jeaye>  ifap.cum
 <jparkton>  iClean
 <jparkton>  iBarf
 <jparkton>  iReturn
 <impulse9>  iI
  <rindolf>  jparkton: this reminds me of
             http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=sharp-perl-paid-version-of-cpan
             .
  <rindolf>  iCanHazCheezburger.
  <rindolf>  iSuck.
  <rindolf>  iAmSpartacus.
 <impulse9>  iAmYourFather
 <jparkton>  prolly some new iFag rage
  <rindolf>  iAmLame
 <impulse9>  iBlame

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     <rindolf>  marzy: Emacs is not a better vim. They are very different.
     <rindolf>  marzy: I could never get used to Emacs, but have used Vim
                for many years.
       <marzy>  rindolf Emacs + Evil mode makes a better vim
     <rindolf>  marzy: does it support all Vim extensions?
       <marzy>  no, that's why its better. it doesn't come with retarded
                scripting language!!
     <rindolf>  marzy: well, it's still not 100% compatible with vim.
     <rindolf>  marzy: and Evil is an awful name. Sorry.
     <rindolf>  "The only thing more evil than XSLT is XSLT edited with
                Emacs Evil mode." ;-)
       <marzy>  i think it's a good name considering emacs and vi(m)
                rivalry
     <rindolf>  marzy: of course, I've heard worse - coq and coccinelle.
     <rindolf>  And then there's this guy here who called his programming
                language Flua which reminds me of Flu and Influenza.
 <Reactionary>  rindolf: lol
  <dardevelin>  rindolf, flua IDE is not that bad to be fair (at least the
                little i tried )
     <rindolf>  dardevelin: didn't say *it* was bad - I said the name was
                bad.
     <rindolf>  dardevelin: and I could never get it running here.
                Problems with Py3 and PyQt.
  <dardevelin>  rindolf, oh that sucks... :/
     <rindolf>  dardevelin: yes.
  <dardevelin>  rindolf, yeah i know you didn't said it was bad, just as
                gave you my opinion on it as a side note. sorry i should
                have made it more explicit :)
     <rindolf>  Of course, Evil is not as bad a name as SLIME, which is
                another Emacs mode.
  <dardevelin>  rindolf, i had troubles with SLIME once and boy i got
                tired of fighting with it
     <rindolf>  Reportedly it was also the nickname of an internal
                Microsoft version control system called SLM (that is now
                largely discontinued).

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%
 <codescience>  just stumbled across another question. is there an
                open-source license that prevent anyone from making money
                off my code?
     <rindolf>  codescience: no there isn't.
     <rindolf>  codescience: it stands against the open source definition.
        <ssta>  codescience: that would violate the spirit of what most
                people understand "open source" to mean
     <rindolf>  codescience: people can sell copies of open source
                software or services related to it.
 <codescience>  hmmm, i understand
     <rindolf>  codescience: see
                http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
        <ssta>  I can legally sell you this copy of the linux kernel...I
                can charge whaqtever you are willing to pay. Nothing in
                the license prevents this
     <rindolf>  ssta: will you sell it to me for 5,000 USD?
     <rindolf>  ;-)
        <ssta>  rindolf: sure
     <rindolf>  ssta: how about for 3,000 USD?
        <ssta>  rindolf: tell you what, for $10,000 I'll throw in a free
                copy of FreeBSD
     <rindolf>  ssta: wow, sounds like a good deal.
        <ssta>  rindolf: hmm, 3000 is a bit low, I don't think I could go
                that cheap
     <rindolf>  ssta: heh.
     <rindolf>  ssta: how much are you selling the source code of Apache
                2.4 for?
        <ssta>  rindolf: oh, you can have that for free
     <rindolf>  ssta: really?
     <rindolf>  Sucker!
        <ssta>  rindolf: sure...but the build scripts you have to pay for
     <rindolf>  ssta: OK.
     <rindolf>  ssta: would you be willing to exchange the source of the
                Linux kernel for three copies of jQuery? I will even throw
                in a few free Dojo plugins.
     <rindolf>  ssta: he already told us.
        <ssta>  rindolf: hmm, not sure I want jQuery
        <ssta>  rindolf: would you happen to have code for a halfway
                decent RDBMS? I think I could swap for that
     <rindolf>  ssta: I have the source code for MySQL. Not sure if it's
                half-decent.
 <codescience>  i run a mysql server. runs good enough for me
        <ssta>  rindolf: I use MySQL in production quite a lot. It has its
                flaws, but my use cases never seem to hit them
     <rindolf>  ssta: OK.
     <rindolf>  ssta: so will you exchanges its source code for the Linux
                kernel?
        <ssta>  rindolf: sure
     <rindolf>  ssta: sounds good.
     <rindolf>  ssta: you can find the source code of MySQL here -
                http://www.mysql.com/
        <ssta>  rindolf: you can get the linux source from kernel.org
     <rindolf>  ssta: thanks.

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 <doomrobo>  rindolf, I got redirected to your gcc important flags page
             today and I think you may be missing a few things
  <rindolf>  doomrobo: do you mean the one in the talk?
  <rindolf>  doomrobo: which page are you referring to?
 <doomrobo>  rindolf, lemme see
  <rindolf>  http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/W2L/Development/slides/gcc/flags.html
             - heh, first Google hit for "gcc important flags"
  <rindolf>  At least for me.
 <doomrobo>  yeah
  <rindolf>  doomrobo: OK, I did not originate that page originally.
 <doomrobo>  ok
  <rindolf>  doomrobo: and it served a certain purpose as material for
             slides to the Haifa Linux Club's Welcome to Linux series.
 <doomrobo>  nice
          *  jrslepak always found it funny that -Wall doesn't turn on all
             of the warnings
 <jrslepak>  . o O ( gcc -Wno-really-I-mean-all ... )
  <rindolf>  -Wevery-warning-under-the-sun-and-then-some
  <rindolf>  -W42
  <rindolf>  -Wchuck-norris
 <doomrobo>  -Wextra
 <doomrobo>  -whipped-cream
 <jrslepak>  and of course -WTF
  <rindolf>  jrslepak: :-)
  <rindolf>  -Worse
  <rindolf>  -Worse-is-better
 <jrslepak>  -Wat
  <rindolf>  -Whoops
 <doomrobo>  -S -Illy -Wabbit
  <rindolf>  Heh.
 <jrslepak>  -Wascally-wabbit
 <jrslepak>  (which really needs to be the name of a future Ubuntu
             release)
 <doomrobo>  people reading this are probably just shaking their heads
 <jrslepak>  hey, at least it's not -fallow-undecidable-instances ¬_¬

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     <tnzr>  does anyone happen to know what std::allocator.allocate()
             does when you try to allocate 0 bytes? I get a pointer back
             but I can't tell what it's pointing at and I can't seem to
             find anything on the web that gives a difinitive answer
   <GeDaMo>  Why are you allocating zero bytes?
 <Billiard>  tnzr: the same thing it always returns
     <tnzr>  GeDaMo: we are implementing our own allocator for an
             assignment, and when asked what we should do if the user
             tries to allocate 0 bytes, the prof said to find out what
             std::allocator does and mimic that
   <GeDaMo>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6065814/standard-compliant-custom-allocator
     <tnzr>  oh snap, thanks GeDaMo
   <GeDaMo>  :)
  <rindolf>  GeDaMo: zero bytes are enough to hold the Complete Works of
             Shakespeare.
   <GeDaMo>  Depends on how many monkeys you have to decompress it :P
  <rindolf>  GeDaMo: heh.
  <rindolf>  Of course, I defined a custom decompressor that emits the
             complete works of Shakespeare on empty input and uses gzip
             compression otherwise.
  <rindolf>  It's pretty large though.
 <Billiard>  redeemed: compress the decompressor using the same algo
 <Billiard>  errr rindolf
  <rindolf>  Billiard: OK.
  <rindolf>  Billiard: heh.
 <Billiard>  0 bytes = a decompressor for the entire works of shakespeare

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  <rindolf>  Hi all.
   <vandos>  hi
  <rindolf>  Hello Ruby Tuesday.
 <famously>  goodbye ruby tuesday
 <famously>  hello emerald thursdays!
 <famously>  now i have to choose a precious stone for each day of the
             week, thanks
 <famously>  this is going to take half the night
 <Textmode>  sapphire Sundays
  <rindolf>  Pearl Mondays.
  <rindolf>  Diamond Saturdays.
 <famously>  YES!
 <famously>  diamond saturday definitely
 <famously>  i thought the same thing
 <famously>  i guess there's already a gemstone for every month, so this
             would be seen as kind of a ripoff
 <famously>  maybe a metal for every day

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    <Zepo>  Either our mac server is sending out little electroshocks
            through his cage and into my foot or he is just vibrating
            really strange...
 <rindolf>  Zepo: a mac server?
    <Zepo>  rindolf: jeh, we have a macserver running a vm with a ubuntu
            server
 <rindolf>  Zepo: hmm... interesting.
    <Zepo>  rindolf: Most people react like "what the...?!"
 <rindolf>  Zepo: next you'll tell me that you have an HP/UX Desktop.
    <Zepo>  rindolf: I am not that crazy, my chef made this...thing...

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      <cheeseduck>  rindolf: How long have you got on the book?
            <Jude>  rindolf, did you check out the new game of thrones
                    episode?
         <rindolf>  Jude: no, I don't watch Game of Thrones.
         <rindolf>  Jude: I did see this on Slashdot -
                    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/03/31/1347248/hbo-says-game-of-thrones-piracy-is-a-compliment
                    .
         <rindolf>  Jude: quite encouraging.
            <Jude>  why
         <rindolf>  Jude: what is encouraging?
         <rindolf>  Jude: I mean that some television producers are having
                    a clue about piracy.
         <rindolf>  Jude: I think the MPAA is likely going to follow the
                    lead of the RIAA and endorse the Internet.
         <rindolf>  Jude: well, there's still a long way to go with even
                    music online.
      <cheeseduck>  rindolf: "How to win friends and..."
         <rindolf>  cheeseduck: ah, that. MAking slow progress in it.
         <rindolf>  cheeseduck: I thought it was a book *I* was writing.
         <rindolf>  Lately, I've been writing books and screenplays and
                    stuff more than I've been reading them. :-D
      <cheeseduck>  "I've been reading a lot of scripts lately." "You
                    know, it's cheaper than going to the movies."
         <rindolf>  cheeseduck: heh.
         <rindolf>  cheeseduck: some people find the screenplays funny as
                    they are.
         <rindolf>  cheeseduck: they have good imagination.
      <cheeseduck>  I always found the standard they are supposed to be
                    written in weird.
      <cheeseduck>  Kind of wasteful in space.
         <rindolf>  cheeseduck: for other people, it ruins the experience.
         <rindolf>  cheeseduck: yes, maybe.
            <Jude>  I see rindolf, did you catch the walking dead's
                    finale?
         <rindolf>  cheeseduck: I have something of my own -
                    http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/projects/XML-Grammar/Fiction/
         <rindolf>  Jude: not familiar with "Walking Dead".
         <rindolf>  Jude: horror drama - I have a soft stomach.
         <rindolf>  Jude: I prefer humour or drama/humour or sci-fi/humour
                    or sci-fi/humour/drama or stuff like that.
            <Jude>  k, sorry to have bothered you
         <rindolf>  Jude: I watched three episodes of My Little Pony:
                    Friendship Is Magic, and so far - I'm game.
         <rindolf>  Jude: you did not bother me.
            <Jude>  never seen it
         <rindolf>  Jude: do you watch My Little Pony?
         <rindolf>  Jude: ah, I love it so far.
            <Jude>  heard it can get quite rough
            <Jude>  more nudity and violence than spartacus and game of
                    thrones combined
         <rindolf>  One episode involved a lot of songs, which I disliked.
         <rindolf>  Jude: heh, LOL.
         <rindolf>  Jude++
         <rindolf>  Jude: it's directed at little girls.
         <rindolf>  Jude: so it's a pretty clean show.
            <Jude>  yeah I know
            <Jude>  I was kidding
         <rindolf>  Jude: if you want incest and violence, then look no
                    further than the Jewish bible.
            <Jude>  there are a lot of dubbing sections of the show to go
                    with metal songs or violent scripts etc
            <Jude>  rindolf, I'm jewish
         <rindolf>  Jude: reportedly, it was quite realism then (the Bible
                    I mean).
         <rindolf>  Jude: ah, nice. So am I.
            <Jude>  and I couldn't agree more
            <Jude>  I have to go watch game of thrones
         <rindolf>  Jude: yes, you need to process the Bible a lot to get
                    to the good stuff.
            <Jude>  will talk to you in an hour
         <rindolf>  Jude: enjoy.
            <Jude>  yeah, in Israel we have to take bible classes
            <Jude>  in high school
         <rindolf>  Maybe I'll prepare a fortune out of this conversation.
            <Jude>  and elementary school too
         <rindolf>  Jude: I'm Israeli too.
            <Jude>  really?
         <rindolf>  Jude: I live in Tel Aviv.
            <Jude>  where do you teach
         <rindolf>  Jude: yes.
            <Jude>  me too..
         <rindolf>  Jude: I don't teach.
            <Jude>  don't tell me you live near rabin sq.
         <rindolf>  Jude: well, I teach stuff via blogging and Internet
                    writing.
         <rindolf>  Jude: no, but I go there often.
         <rindolf>  Jude: I live in Gimmel.
            <Jude>  ramat aviv?
         <rindolf>  Jude: yes.
            <Jude>  that's close to TAU
            <Jude>  do you study there?
         <rindolf>  Jude: yes.
            <Jude>  CS?
         <rindolf>  Jude: no, I just live with my parents.
         <rindolf>  Jude: I graduated from EE from the Technion.
            <Jude>  cool
         <rindolf>  Jude:
                    http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/education/opinion-on-the-technion/
            <Jude>  that's your blog?
         <rindolf>  Jude: it's my home site.
            <Jude>  cool
         <rindolf>  Jude: a good old fashioned Web 1.0 site in modern
                    clothing.
         <rindolf>  Like valid HTML, modern CSS, some JS enhancements,
                    etc.
         <rindolf>  But still static HTML pages.
         <rindolf>  I have some blogs on livejournal.com/etc.
            <Jude>  do you know a guy called nimrod?
         <rindolf>  Jude: there are many people called Nimrod - it's a
                    common name.
            <Jude>  don't want to give him in on public chat
         <rindolf>  Jude: not sure I know a Nimrod off hand.
            <Jude>  nevermind then
         <rindolf>  Jude: OK, feel free to PM.
         <rindolf>  Jude: many Israeli names can get confusing.
         <rindolf>  OK.
         <rindolf>  Jude: I can easily come to Rabin sq. - there's a bus
                    there from here.
            <Jude>  he's my brother, he lives close to you and he's also
                    an open-source enthusaist
            <Jude>  I know
            <Jude>  there are plenty of them
         <rindolf>  Jude: ah, that's great.
            <Jude>  I take them to uni on a daily basis
            <Jude>  I live right by rabin sq.
         <rindolf>  Jude: so you study in TAU?
            <Jude>  yeah
         <rindolf>  Jude: TAU has tons of hot chicks.
            <Jude>  there are some
         <rindolf>  Jude: there aren't a lot of people on the streets of
                    Gimmel.
         <rindolf>  Jude: so you study CS?
            <Jude>  no way
            <Jude>  maths
         <rindolf>  Jude: ah, I see.
         <rindolf>  Jude: maths...
            <Jude>  I know one or two nice looking girls, but I usually
                    get put off by their personalities
         <rindolf>  Jude: I think maths is taught wrong in several
                    aspects.
         <rindolf>  Jude: ah.
            <Jude>  I've only been attracted to one specimen of the female
                    sex ever
            <Jude>  in my entire life
         <rindolf>  Jude: ah, really?
            <Jude>  I dunno, I agree when you speak of highschool maths
            <Jude>  I like university maths so far
            <Jude>  my professors are really nice
         <rindolf>  Jude: well, there are a lot of girls studying more
                    humane stuff.
         <rindolf>  Jude:
                    http://blogs.perl.org/users/shlomi_fish/2013/03/ann-my-transition-from-software-developer-to-writerentertaineramateur-philosopherinternet-celebrity.html
            <Jude>  I generally don't like people who study humane
                    subjects (I don't consider philosophy to be as such
                    though)
         <rindolf>  Jude: I've made a transition from a mathematician to a
                    software developer and now I'm more of a
                    writer/entertainer/amateur-philosopher.
            <Jude>  you didn't like the way it was taught?
         <rindolf>  Jude: like which way?
         <rindolf>  Jude: you mean maths?
            <Jude>  yes
         <rindolf>  Jude: well: 1. No pairwise work. Big mistake.
         <rindolf>  2. Need to memorise a lot of silly stuff. Why??
         <rindolf>  3. Maybe allow some sloppiness. Make maths more
                    humane.
            <Jude>  that's why you got philosophy
            <Jude>  maths can't afford to be sloppy
         <rindolf>  There's something poetical about many maths' proofs.
            <Jude>  the intuitive ideas behind them
            <Jude>  are beautiful
            <Jude>  but intuition can be misleading
            <Jude>  that's why you have to be really strict
         <rindolf>  Jude: yes, that's why I think we should now move into
                    proof verifier realm.
            <Jude>  if you want your proof to be valid
         <rindolf>  Jude: right.
         <rindolf>  Jude: but I was once criticised for this -
                    http://ladypine.livejournal.com/24574.html
         <rindolf>  Jude: thing is - not everything should be strict when
                    teaching.
         <rindolf>  Jude: I agree that mathematical intuition can be
                    misleading, but it's still a good thing to have.
         <rindolf>  Jude: thing is I think many mathematicians now require
                    a lot of dedication and selling their soul to the
                    devil, which is turning them into
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Nemo -s.
            <Jude>  it's not a very formal proof
         <rindolf>  Jude: when I studied EE most of my courses were with
                    open material, and I could do pairwise work, which I
                    enjoyed.
            <Jude>  but seems to hold
         <rindolf>  Jude: yes.
            <Jude>  I guess you are right
         <rindolf>  Jude: :-D
            <Jude>  that the concept is more important than the
                    formalization
            <Jude>  but a lot of my professors agree with you
            <Jude>  and would give much more attention to grasping the
                    important concept, and understanding intuition behind
                    proofs
         <rindolf>  Jude: I'm always right. Unless I claim that "A is
                    not-A". But Chuck Norris would be right even then.
            <Jude>  lol
         <rindolf>  Hah! A new Chuck Norris factoid.
            <Jude>  <3
            <Jude>  it's been nice chatting with you, I really have to go
                    now, I need to watch GoT and then go to bed and wake
                    up in 4 hours
         <rindolf>  Jude: my father and I now have an ongoing Chuck Norris
                    meme.
         <rindolf>  Jude: bye, have fun, and good night.
            <Jude>  rindolf, what's that
         <rindolf>  Jude: what?
            <Jude>  the Chuck Norris meme
         <rindolf>  Jude: well, we say stuff like "you're my most Chuck
                    Norris dad." or "I taught Chuck Norris how to fight."
         <rindolf>  It's a personal running joke.
         <rindolf>  Well, a family-wide one.
         <rindolf>  We have our own jargon.
            <Jude>  heh
         <rindolf>  Most families do.
            <Jude>  I'm not close enough to any member of my family
            <Jude>  to do that
         <rindolf>  Ah.
            <Jude>  talk to you later, ciao
         <rindolf>  Bye.
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  rindolf: Douglas Hofstadter gave a talk about how
                    mathematicians aren't as rigorous as they claim to be
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  and that they use a lot of analogical thinking
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: ah, OK.
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  it was at the university of Toronto
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  I missed it sadly though
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: ah.
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: was it filmed?
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  but I can basically tell you what he said more or less
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  rindolf: there was a webcast
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: OK.
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: ah.
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  not sure if it can be accessed still
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: ah.
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  <+Nisstyre-laptop> but if you read either GEB or I Am
                    a Strange Loop you'll get it
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: I read GEB.
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: GEB was a nice book, but I knew a lot
                    of what he was saying there.
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: I still enjoyed the drama stuff in
                    the middle with Achilles, the Tortoise and their
                    friends.
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  rindolf: you had the idea of using PM as a metaphor
                    for systems of thinking and the mind?
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  because that's what the book is about
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: PM?
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  principia mathematica
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  the formal system constructed by Russell and Whitehead
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: I didn't think of it.
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: yes, I know.
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  the entire book is his theory of consciousness
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  and how there are levels of thinking
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: well, I read "I think, therefore I
                    laugh" before I read GEB.
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  you can be less of a thinking being, etc...
         <rindolf>  Yes, he says that consciousness requires thinking in
                    loops, or self-reflection.
         <rindolf>  Well, it's an informal theory of consciousness.
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  it requires what he calls a strange loop
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  and there can be many levels to it
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  more levels == what we think of as more human or more
                    conscious beings
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  so PM actually is able to self reflect to an extent
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  although it requires a human to interpret it
         <rindolf>  I believe, that creating artificial
                    intelligence/artificial consciousness won't be easy to
                    do, will require a lot of complex code, and will
                    likely be faulty (have its own will, make mistakes,
                    not run as quickly as more specialised code, etc.).
         <rindolf>  Nisstyre-laptop: yes.
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  depends what you mean by AI
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  there are several different definitions
           <gde33>  the first human like robot will be build in japan, the
                    first artifical intelligence in the us
        <doomlord>  heh
           <gde33>  hahaha
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  the church-turing hypothesis would seem to imply it's
                    possible, at least in principle
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  to create "strong" AI
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  although I intensely dislike that term
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  since it tries to say that any system of thinking that
                    doesn't work exactly the same as a human one isn't AI
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  which is BS
           <gde33>  you guys are all worried about intelligence, I think
                    that will be the easy part. Then comes the important
                    stuff: giving it a sense of humor.
        <doomlord>  so there was the idea that consciousness is associated
                    with information flow, and that "more" information
                    flow is "More" consciousness, a continuum like
                    gravity... but gravity can produce a qualitatively
                    different effect past a certain level (black holes..)
        <doomlord>  so the "loop" is where information flow becomes
                    qualitatively different ?
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  doomlord: have you read GEB?
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  it would be the ability a system has to observe
                    itself, and encode the system itself in the system
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  in otherwords self reflection
           <gde33>  I don't know many people who can be truly accused of
                    having their own thoughts
        <doomlord>  i dont thinkso but i have some related quotes from
                    somewhere
        <doomlord>  but can a system only approximate itself
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  principia mathematica has that ability
        <doomlord>  can a computer emulate itself...
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  as Goedel showed
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  you can encode formulas in PM as formulas in PM
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  doomlord: yes
        <doomlord>  but to what practical extent
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  what is that supposed to mean?
        <doomlord>  nature has many 'feedback loops' involving information
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  physical limitations result in a hard limit of
                    feedback loops
        <doomlord>  whats GEB, links?
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  if you point a camera at a mirror eventually it will
                    "stop"
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  doomlord: it's a book
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  Godel, Escher, Bach
        <doomlord>  ah google reveals
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  but the sequel is more clear on what it's about
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  I Am A Strange Loop
        <doomlord>  ok sounds interestign
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  doomlord: anyway, if you nest implementations of a
                    computer in a computer eventually there will be a
                    limit imposed by the physical situation
 <Nisstyre-laptop>  i.e. the memory and processor speed
           <gde33>  only for limited thinkers
           <gde33>  it's like entropy, only for people who are afraid to
                    think :P
        <doomlord>  but dont physical systems also have practical
                    limitations
           <gde33>  yes but those are not what we imagine them to be
           <gde33>  if only we knew the meaning of life, that would make
                    things so much easier
        <Stryyker>  how?
         <rindolf>  I think the whole "AIs spawning AIs" dream is not a
                    good strategy for doing software dev. I think
                    programming is here to stay. It's not like humans can
                    efficiently do what a dedicated polynomial time
                    program can.
        <doomlord>  even humans get programmed, lol
         <rindolf>  doomlord: yes.
           <gde33>  that new immortality project had some interesting
                    videos
         <rindolf>  doomlord: a large part of human technology is mental.
         <rindolf>  doomlord: in fact, we can no longer survive without
                    our mental technology. We couldn't for thousands of
                    years.
           <gde33>  oh but we can
           <gde33>  just need a favorable environment
        <doomlord>  cultural template = human OS
           <gde33>  not mine
         <rindolf>  gde33: you can survive without your mental technology?
                    Even without conceptual thought?
           <gde33>  not sure what you mean
           <gde33>  isn't that what all the other species do?
        <doomlord>  i saw some TED talk trying to explain the difference
                    between chinese and western spending/saving habits in
                    the way the language encourages people to think about
                    time
        <doomlord>  supposedly chinese language makes it harder to think
                    of past,present,future seperately
           <gde33>  languages can be really weird
           <gde33>  all languages have the word "argument" but some want
                    it to have aditional meanings, I believe in china an
                    argument is equal to disobedience. lol
      <Belxjander>  huh?
           <gde33>  in english it is a kind of fight
           <gde33>  争 is a dispute 争论 is an argument or debate
           <gde33>  I cant think of good examples, I used to know a girl
                    who knew many languages
           <gde33>  she showed me how some things are badly broken in some
                    languages
        <doomlord>  is it true japanese can't say "no", they have to
                    repeat the question in negative..
        <doomlord>  thats what we were told when learning but they must
                    have a word for no surely
      <Belxjander>  doomlord: there is "Hai" for Yes and "iie" for no
        <doomlord>  so its just impolite to say "no" i guess
                 *  Belxjander is living in Japan
      <Belxjander>  doomlord: you lose context...
      <Belxjander>  doomlord: in English you don't repeat
           <gde33>  hah no
      <Belxjander>  but in Japanese you do
      <Belxjander>  gde33: depends on the person... my mother and father
                    thought nothing of explaining politeness to me and
                    will happilly talk overtop me when I am speaking
         <rindolf>  gde33: I only know (Modern) Hebrew, English, some
                    mostly forgotten Written Arabic, and some French
                    (which I'm now trying to regain).
      <Belxjander>  I have also run into the same from Chinese, Japanese,
                    American, European AND African people I have met
         <rindolf>  gde33: well, I also know bits of other languages like
                    Spanish, Russian, German, etc.
         <rindolf>  gde33: I know that in Hebrew we have compulsive
                    genders for objects, so we don't care about phrasing
                    sentences in a gender-neutral form, which is an
                    English obsession.
         <rindolf>  gde33: I think it is parodied in this book -
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinny_Legs_and_All_%28novel%29
                    (great one, BTW - taught me a lot).
        <doomlord>  heh languages with sexism built in.. gender all the
                    way through
           <gde33>  some languages are also more emotional than others
           <gde33>  italians are hilarious
           <gde33>  so much enthusiasm it makes you think something is
                    going on
      <Belxjander>  gde33: spoken or written and the correct manner for if
                    you are addressing "up/peer/down" the social ladder
                    with regards respect... yes
           <gde33>  Belxjander: does that apply to many words?

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     <user2013>  I need open source remote desktop in j2me
      <rindolf>  user2013: hi.
      <rindolf>  user2013: you again?
     <user2013>  I need open source remote desktop in j2me
     <user2013>  I need open source remote desktop in j2me
      <rindolf>  user2013: we heard you.
 <atamagawarui>  user2013: I need an open-source, free rocket launcher in
                 either VBScript or Batch!
       <sksupp>  can do
      <rindolf>  atamagawarui: heh.
      <rindolf>  atamagawarui: I prefer it in AutoCad's AutoLisp.
       <sksupp>  VBscript 3+ years experience, team can perform your task
                 quik time 300 dollars paypal
      <rindolf>  atamagawarui: or in PDP-10 Assembly.
 <atamagawarui>  rindolf: haha
       <sksupp>  i guarantee if you put that on freelancer
       <sksupp>  offers will come
 <atamagawarui>  sksupp: lol, to whom are you going to outsource the task?
       <sksupp>  i know
       <sksupp>  i'll assign it as a project for this java class i TA

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 <inf-groupoid>  o0elise0o: mv seems pretty clear to me
    <o0elise0o>  i cant think of anything linux doesnt have aside from
                 stability with a gui
 <inf-groupoid>  o0elise0o: There are lots of obscure commands, but mv is
                 not one of them.
    <o0elise0o>  no i mean mv makes sense
      <rindolf>  o0elise0o: Linux cannot solve the halting problem.
      <rindolf>  o0elise0o: but neither can Windows.
    <o0elise0o>  but have no cls with every other command shortened seems
                 odd to me
         <Oxyd>  Linux can solve the halting problem: kill -9 "$pid" &&
                 echo "Halts"

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 <swineflu>  is there away i can basicly do if (input.equals("1" || "2" ||
             "3")) {
  <rindolf>  swineflu: if (input.equals("1") || input.equals("2").
  <rindolf>  swineflu: Perl 6 has junctions for this.
  <Znoosey>  swineflu: in which language?
 <swineflu>  in java
 <swineflu>  also thats uglyyyyyy
  <Znoosey>  then rindolfs way is the way to do it
   <limbo_>  swineflu: case from java 7 on, before that just use ifs
  <Znoosey>  rindolf: is perl 6 out of beta yet?
  <rindolf>  Znoosey: well, they released Rakudo Star, but it's not very
             usable.
  <Znoosey>  ah
  <Znoosey>  rindolf: do you know when it will be done?
  <rindolf>  Znoosey: I wouldn't recommend people to use Perl 6, but its
             junctions are still a cool feature and there's a Perl 5 impl
             at https://metacpan.org/module/Perl6::Junction .
 <swineflu>  java enrages me
   <Rounin>  You should stop implementing the Enrageable interface,
             swineflu
   <Rounin>  A common rookie mistake
 <swineflu>  Enrageable interface = swing
   <Rounin>  Instead you need a
             HarmoniousAndConstructiveReactionAccessorFactoryDAOInjector
             Object
   <Rounin>  You get it by incentivizing an EJB SproinkJunk
   <Rounin>  In your supplication gridwork of choice

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 <cousteau>  damn printer... it's made like 4 fubared copies
 <cousteau>  jamming all the time, having to remove an accordion-shaped
             paper each time
 <cousteau>  turns out there was another sheet jammed, but it was hidden
             and the printer wasn't detecting it
    <pulse>  i wonder if printers will still jam paper in the year 3000
    <pulse>  maybe it's a paradox of physics
    <pulse>  a fluke in nature
     <`Gin>  I think its more down to the fact printer companies have been
             milking their cash cow dry, £10 in R&D each year. etc.
    <pulse>  maybe some day paper will become obsolete, then there will be
             no problem anymore
     <`Gin>  There are still employees at my job who would prefer to print
             an email out, read it and then reply to the email.
     <`Gin>  I don't have much hope for that dream pulse :P
    <pulse>  that's just stupid :P
 <cousteau>  pulse, how in the hell would printers work BETTER in the
             future?
 <cousteau>  the more intelligent they become, the more stupid things
             they'll do!
 <cousteau>  the machine rebellion will start with printers, it's a known
             fact
 <koollman>  I suppose the equivalent of paper jam with a 3d printer can
             get really messy
 <cousteau>  heh
 <koollman>  "we cannot access the printer, it is inside a large blob of
             solidified plastic"
 <koollman>  "the first maintenance team went in, but that was 2 days ago,
             and we are preparing a rescue mission"
    <pulse>  maybe they could produce the paper in the process
    <pulse>  maybe they'll print you a hologram
    <pulse>  lol
 <cousteau>  koollman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo
 <koollman>  cousteau: yes, but that one would auto-reproduce, which is
             much more scary ;)
 <koollman>  although I guess a very advanced printer could print itself,
             it's the goal of reprap-like systems
    <pulse>  nothing a giant emp wave wouldn't fix
  <rindolf>  koollman: heh.
 <cousteau>  maybe the 3D printer accidentally gets programmed with
             printing a 3D copy of itself, and that copy turns out to be
             already programmed with the same program
    <pulse>  haha
 <cousteau>  3D printer fork bomb!
 <koollman>  :)
  <rindolf>  Heh.
 <keepsake>  Ah, replicators.
          *  koollman remembers actually using a postscript 'bomb'
 <cousteau>  ...as an unrelated note, the :(){... forkbomb doesn't work on
             the `dash` interpreter
 <cousteau>  it says that : is not a valid function name
 <cousteau>  so you can fool your friends by trying to convince them that
             the forkbomb doesn't work
 <koollman>  cousteau: that's not to hard to modify, although the result
             will be less obscure. or is it that it doesn't support
             recursion ?
 <cousteau>  koollman, replace : with F and you have a working one
 <koollman>  ok, so just the character is forbidden as a name. a bit sad
 <cousteau>  or with _
 <koollman>  _ works, it's still quite hard to read :)
 <cousteau>  with _, if you tilt your head, it looks like a toilet on top
             of a tree
    <pulse>  that's some vivid imagination
  <wei2912>  lol
 <cousteau>  or a chair or something
 <koollman>  pulse: shell programming may have unexpected side-effets ;)
    <pulse>  like waking up in a mental asylum
    <pulse>  ? :)
 <koollman>  nah. But I do remember making very bad jokes about zombie
             processes, reapers and clones
    <pulse>  hmm
 <koollman>  I woke up as a sysadmin, too. that may partially qualify
    <pulse>  lol

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    <christos_>  hey
      <rindolf>  christos_: hi.
      <Znoosey>  hello
    <christos_>  we have topic here?
      <rindolf>  christos_: /topic
 <kimochiwarui>  christos_: Ummm... programming? :-O
      <rindolf>  christos_: anyway, we discuss programming and other
                 stuff.
      <Znoosey>  christos_: the general topic seems to be type safety
      <Znoosey>  >_<
      <rindolf>  Znoosey: and Java questions.
      <rindolf>  Help with Java homework.
      <Znoosey>  rindolf: ah yes
      <rindolf>  From people who cannot indent correctly.
      <Znoosey>  rindolf: hahaha
      <rindolf>  Znoosey: :-)
      <Znoosey>  rindolf: the most amusing was the other day, when some
                 guy posted his code on one line in here, so i asked him
                 to pastebin it, and he did... still all in one line
      <rindolf>  Znoosey: heh.
      <rindolf>  Znoosey: Java golf!

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     <rindolf>  ashmew2: hi.
     <ashmew2>  hello rindolf .
     <rindolf>  ashmew2: what's up?
     <ashmew2>  Sorry about the other day, my internet was acting weird.
                seems stable now
     <rindolf>  ashmew2: ah, that's OK. :-)
     <ashmew2>  rindolf, just fixed issues that cropped up with a new
                router. Fixes the internet :D
 <RangerMauve>  I'll never forgive you
     <ashmew2>  whats up with you?
     <ashmew2>  RangerMauve, while(!forgiven) ask_forgiveness(); :P
     <rindolf>  ashmew2: I'm fine. Looking for a misplaced E-mail.
     <rindolf>  ashmew2: infinite loop!
     <ashmew2>  Let's hope that's not an infinite loop.
     <ashmew2>  :P
     <rindolf>  ashmew2: run it in a background process/thread.
     <ashmew2>  hahaha
     <rindolf>  ashmew2: :-)
     <ashmew2>  not necessarily infinite, we don't know how the variable
                forgiven is modified by the called function :P :P
     <rindolf>  ashmew2: well, this is pseudocode.
 <RangerMauve>  ashmew2: It could be potentially infinite if I die
     <ashmew2>  RangerMauve, don't let the requests be pending then :D
     <ashmew2>  for the sake of infinite rise in universal entropy.
 <RangerMauve>  Maybe I want it to happen. Manye I'm some sort of
                existential anarchist
     <ashmew2>  well, Anarchy, no matter how inviting, doesn't really lead
                to fruitful consequences. But i guess that's
                individualistic at best.
 <RangerMauve>  2deep4me

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 <rindolf>  Oh, God, FizzBuzz discussion.
  <Rounin>  rindolf: Which framework do you think is best for FizzBuzz?
            I'm thinking Spring, Hibernate and Struts, with jQuery for the
            user-facing parts, of course
  <Rounin>  To properly print the lines, you see
  <Rounin>  Also FizzBuzz in C# is hopelessly out of date
         *  Rounin ducks and grabs popcorn
    <adsc>  fizzbuzz can be a challenging exercise if you require an
            exotic language like Chef
    <adsc>  you know what would be cool? A language that has an
            implementation for all such trivial programming exercises in
            the standard lib. Just imagine how confused a noob programmer
            would be when he couldn't just fizzBuzz() in standard C to
            solve the exercise...
  <Rounin>  :P
  <Rounin>  atoi is a nice exercise though
    <moop>  adsc: write one, become the hero that beginners need
    <moop>  call it nooblib
    <moop>  become famous

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      <rindolf>  Today I got the idea for "crypto-time" similar to
                 crypto-currency - BitSeconds.
      <rindolf>  Not sure how it will work.
        <Paper>  What would the benefit of having lots of BitSeconds be?
         <pyon>  rindolf: Ah.
     <rdevilla>  rindolf: you are enabling pedophiles, terrorists, and
                 drug dealers
         <pyon>  rdevilla: wat
      <rindolf>  rdevilla: heh.
 <sirdancealot>  and time thieves
     <rdevilla>  especially time thieves
     <rdevilla>  think of all the time laundering
      <rindolf>  Reminds me of
                 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momo_%28novel%29
         <pyon>  rdevilla: Time thieves? You mean like those silly
                 Facebook games that steal your time?
     <rdevilla>  pyon: the Steam sale has taken up far too much of my
                 holiday already ._.
         <pyon>  rdevilla: Heh. :-)

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 <olamachon>  Yay! svn.php.net is back up.
   <rindolf>  olamachon: <olamachon> Yay! svn.php.net is back up.
   <rindolf>  <doomlord__> xeno_ actually seeing rust on ==> that's great.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: ?
   <rindolf>  olamachon: sorry, I meant that it's great that svn.php.net
              is up.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: haha ya. Pretty exciting, might write a short
              novella about it.
   <rindolf>  olamachon: heh.
 <olamachon>  The Svniliion: The trials and tribulations of a programmers
              journey to get information about php
   <rindolf>  “The day when svn.php.net returned.” -- by olamachon
   <rindolf>  olamachon: heh.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: Ah thats it. So much better.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: Hopefully I'll get like a 10 sec clip in some svn
              documentary on the history channel
 <XMPPwocky>  rindolf: you *know* that the people working on svn.php had
              to have an offline backup
   <rindolf>  olamachon: I like your title too.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: "And it went down, and that is how I knew it was
              the beginning of the end"
   <rindolf>  olamachon: heh.
 <XMPPwocky>  rindolf: because otherwise nobody could remember which way
              the arguments go for anything
   <rindolf>  olamachon: “I sulked in my suffering. It was the kind of
              suffering that tore your heart to shreds. A programmer’s
              suffering. Nothing could equal it.”
 <olamachon>  XMPPwocky: ya I was thinking about asking my fellow ner...
              connoisseurs.... if they might have a backup
 <olamachon>  rindolf: "a lonely life full of 1's and 0's"
   <rindolf>  olamachon: heh.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: I smell the beginning of an organically grown IRC
              novel
   <rindolf>  olamachon: this would definitely make a bestseller.
   <rindolf>  olamachon: heh.
   <rindolf>  olamachon: maybe I'll prepare a convo log out of it -
              http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/sharp-programming.html
 <olamachon>  hahahah
   <rindolf>  olamachon: “I remembered the happy days when I was using the
              svn server back when it was at its prime. Running.
              Functioning. These days seem so distant now.”
   <rindolf>  LOL.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: "Soon I realized we were at a turning point in a
              cultural revolution"
   <rindolf>  olamachon: hmm... you can do "better" than that.
   <rindolf>  olamachon: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/stories/ - I
              actually wrote some novellas and screenplay-of-sorts here.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: right right, novellas. I was thinking more like I
              was the glue guy in a documentary
 <olamachon>  rindolf: So I was trying to be super cliche
   <rindolf>  olamachon: ah.
   <rindolf>  olamachon: so was I.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: I like the ironic cliche where it actually means
              nothing
 <olamachon>  rindolf: its just all good sounding filler
   <rindolf>  “I looked at the clock on my desktop. Each seconds seemed
              like a century. What will I do without the svn server
              online? What can I do? What can I do about it? Who am I
              asking all these questions?”
   <rindolf>  olamachon: I wonder where I first read cliches such as that.
              Maybe it was someone parodying them.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: "Then I had an existential epiphany. What is SVN?
              What am I? What are we doing in this universe? This foray
              into the metaphysical was cut short by a brief glance at the
              clock. It's 5 o'clock. f**k this s**t, I'm getting drunk."
   <rindolf>  olamachon: heh.
   <rindolf>  olamachon: do you actually write?
 <olamachon>  rindolf: never
   <rindolf>  olamachon: ah, I see.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: is it that obvious? haha
   <rindolf>  olamachon: you may be a natural.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: I wrote like an essay or two in university, they
              were like 2 pages haha
   <rindolf>  olamachon: ah, so little?
 <olamachon>  rindolf: I read a copious amount of literature
   <rindolf>  olamachon: ah, OK.
   <rindolf>  olamachon: OK, I'll keep this conversation.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: Perhaps that has a prolific effect on my penchant
              for the perverse verbosity?
   <rindolf>  olamachon: and put it on that page.
   <rindolf>  olamachon: yes, maybe.
 <olamachon>  rindolf: Sure. I feel like we may be getting a bit off-topic
              here
   <rindolf>  olamachon: yes, well, svn.php.net is back - that's what
              important.
   <rindolf>  Seize the svn.
   <rindolf>  Carpe svn!
 <olamachon>  rindolf: Nice. I see what you did there. I am literally
              doing that as fast as I can
   <rindolf>  Well, not sure the Latin is right.
 <olamachon>  carpe is the seize part
   <rindolf>  "Occupy svn.php.net!"
 <olamachon>  diem is day
   <rindolf>  olamachon: yes, I know.
   <rindolf>  But maybe svn has to be conjugated.
 <olamachon>  oh was carpe diem an idiom?
 <olamachon>  carpe svnus?
   <rindolf>  Carpe svni?
 <olamachon>  ^
   <rindolf>  Carpe svna?
   <rindolf>  Carpe svnis?
   <rindolf>  Not sure.
   <rindolf>  My Latin is weak.
   <rindolf>  I know the plural of Pentium is Pentia.
      <pyon>  olamachon: "Carpe diem" means something like "live/enjoy
              this day"
 <olamachon>  pyon: Seize the day
      <pyon>  Yeah.
   <rindolf>  Well, carpe meant quite a few things.
   <rindolf>  In Latin at least.
 <olamachon>  This is unbelievably slow. On a 1gbps connection, php docs
              have been downloading for 15 minutes so far
   <rindolf>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpe_diem
   <rindolf>  olamachon: I see.
 <olamachon>  I'm trying to grab it all incase I need it later, but with
              my luck it will drop out again before the 1 file I need

    -- We’re not novelists, we just play ones on IRC
    -- ##programming, Freenode
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         <Rad->  gcc `xml2-config --cflags` -g lib.c -o lib `xml2-config
                 --libs`
      <rindolf>  Rad-: you called your executable "lib"? It's a common
                 name for directories.
         <Rad->  ...yes
         <Rad->  i'll change it later i just got lazy
      <rindolf>  Rad-: ah.
      <rindolf>  Rad-: 1. Are you using version control? 2. Do you have
                 automated tests?
 <Binary_Digit>  This is the hardest part of programming - choosing a name
                 for the dev directory.
         <Rad->  no, no?
      <rindolf>  Rad-: well, you should on both accounts.
        <pulse>  Binary_Digit++
        <pulse>  i hate that part
     <Denommus>  Binary_Digit: uh, src?
       <indigo>  Binary_Digit: projects
        <pulse>  i thought he meant the project name folder
 <Binary_Digit>  src is fine if you're only ever going to write one
                 program
     <Denommus>  ah, for the directory where the projects will be!
     <Denommus>  I always name it "Projects"
 <Binary_Digit>  all your programs are called 'Projects'?
         <they>  Shouldn't you use a top-level qualifier?
 <Binary_Digit>  Cool.
        <pulse>  lol
     <Denommus>  Binary_Digit: no, the directory where the projects are
         <they>  For instance, if you're making a library called "Jail",
                 have the top-level folder named "Jail"? So the namespaces
                 below would be "Jail.Whatever"?
     <Denommus>  Binary_Digit: I always think about some name when
                 starting a project
         <Rad->  rindolf: well i'm writing the tests. my program is a
                 proof of working functions... well it's supposed to be
                 anyway
     <Denommus>  they: yup
 <Binary_Digit>  Q: How do I do <foo>? A: easy, just use Projects to do
                 the first bit, then switch to Projects to do the next
                 bit, and pipe the output through Projects
              *  jrslepak just names a project's directory based on the
                 name of the project
 <Binary_Digit>  jrslepak, so you still have the same problem
        <pulse>  i find it hard to come up with project names that don't
                 suck
 <Binary_Digit>  Denommus solves it by calling every project 'Projects'
     <jrslepak>  Binary_Digit: what problem do I have?
 <Binary_Digit>  But I prefer to find more original names
        <pulse>  i'm afraid i'm going to pick some well-known name, then
                 i'll get sued and will have to walk around in a barrel
 <Binary_Digit>  jrslepak, the problem of picking a name for your project
     <Denommus>  Binary_Digit: stop putting words on my mouth, I hate it
       <benzrf>  Binary_Digit: one of the two hard things in programming
 <Binary_Digit>  Denommus, oh, I think you'll survive.
 <Binary_Digit>  Especially if that graph is anything to go by.
 <Binary_Digit>  But all right, I apologise.
        <pulse>  benzrf, the other being actually getting to work?
 <Binary_Digit>  Ah, bring back florin5
 <Binary_Digit>  I have a project for him
 <Binary_Digit>  A project name generator!
 <Binary_Digit>  Only problem is: what to call it?
        <pulse>  project name namer
      <rindolf>  Rad-: they do? Why?
      <rindolf>  Binary_Digit: heh, it should be self-hosting.
       <benzrf>  pulse: 'two hard things in programming
       <benzrf>  cache invalidation and naming things'
        <pulse>  hmm
       <benzrf>  or maybe it was 'in compsci'
      <rindolf>  benzrf: '...and off by one errors'.
       <benzrf>  well known quote tho
       <benzrf>  rindolf: huehuehue
       <benzrf>  i saw that one
        <pulse>  yeah, those are tricky
       <benzrf>  christ i hate fencepost errors
       <benzrf>  they get me every time -.-
      <rindolf>  benzrf: I had a lot of them in a recent Project Euler
                 problem.
 <Binary_Digit>  I think I shall call my latest project Bernard. Or
                 possibly Saskatchewan.
        <pulse>  Binary_Digit, i find you could develop all sorts of names
                 from fruit names
      <rindolf>  Rad-: well, you can use them for your own personal use.
        <pulse>  have a timer project? call it pineapple timer
       <benzrf>  rindolf: :(
        <pulse>  makes it sound fresh
        <pulse>  and exciting
 <Binary_Digit>  Oh yeah - Apple - or Blackberry - or Raspberry - or
                 Apricot
 <Binary_Digit>  I don't suppose any of those are taken
        <pulse>  tomatomation
        <pulse>  :D
        <pulse>  stands for tomato automation
 <Binary_Digit>  I suppose the only way out is to pick a good name
                 *first*, and then decide what would be the best program
                 to fit that name. eg Project Turnip could be a Turing
                 machine for kids
       <benzrf>  Binary_Digit: amazing
 <Binary_Digit>  yeah, I know - I think I'm too tired for IRC right now,
                 talking nonsense

    -- Software naming discussions good jokes maketh
    -- ##programming, Freenode
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     <NBP>  FFS
     <NBP>  my hair never looks good
     <NBP>  it's getting ridiculous
     <NBP>  fuck this hair
 <rindolf>  NBP: my hair is a disaster area too.
 <rindolf>  NBP: it grows in all directions and grows quickly, and it's
            always out of shape.
 <rindolf>  When I brush it it looks weirder.
 <rindolf>  NBP: heh, two guys discussing hair.
     <NBP>  mine doesn't grow in some parts anymore
     <NBP>  but where it does grow it looks terrible
 <rindolf>  NBP: ah.
 <rindolf>  NBP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8cDbj8mLKg - Ape of Death
            has hair problems too.
 <rindolf>  NBP: that's my favourite part out of The Mighty Boosh.

    -- Having a bad hair life
    -- ##programming, Freenode
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     <rindolf>  Macuser: I Went to an anime/manga con -
                https://twitter.com/shlomif/status/492341211827404800
 <NextFunctor>  roflcon
     <rindolf>  gde33: you can use AdBlockPlus.
       <gde33>  that doesnt work, with a central server they have to pay a
                lot for hostiing
    <konverse>  This guy is hilarious. rindolf!
       <gde33>  I have to watch advertisements to make the centralized
                control work
       <gde33>  because it doesn't
       <gde33>  yeah this "service"
     <rindolf>  konverse: who is?
       <gde33>  meanwhile the tubes are so fast that the hd torrent is
                finished before I can tab to the client
       <gde33>  uhhuhuhu??
       <gde33>  oh I said torrent *shrug*
     <rindolf>  Macuser: BTW, do you know iJustine on YouTube/etc.? She's
                awesome.
       <gde33>  you are assuming i'm not uploading
     <rindolf>  There are other business models for Web revenue -
                https://plus.google.com/+ShlomiFish/posts/MRLntf3xu5Y
       <gde33>  ahh the greed based garbage interwebs
    <konverse>  What else rindolf?
     <rindolf>  gde33: greed?
     <rindolf>  konverse: what?
     <rindolf>  konverse: I don't understand you.
    <konverse>  Am I trolling you? Sorry if I interrupted.
    <jrslepak>  just because you do things for strangers for free doesn't
                mean other strangers aren't doing things for you for free
     <rindolf>  konverse: please be more coherent.
       <gde33>  konverse: not at all
       <gde33>  you could just, you know, work for your money?
     <rindolf>  konverse: vague person is vague.
    <konverse>  Heh. We're marking tertiaries. I'm glad.
     <rindolf>  <perlbot> rindolf: vague question is really, really vague,
                in fact it's so fucking vague that you can't even caption
                a cat with it because the cat would DIE OF VAGUE
    <konverse>  rindolf: So as is robust to robots?
     <rindolf>  konverse: find someplace else to troll.
    <konverse>  Hah! Got you.
    <konverse>  Where have my poor fingers gone?
    <konverse>  Somewhere in the sewers! Bwahahahaha.
     <rindolf>  konverse: I hope they get caught there and you'll have to
                live with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles who will kick
                the ass out of you.
    <konverse>  OOooh.
     <rindolf>  konverse: them and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Fox
                .
    <konverse>  Touchy. Did you have to man that?
 <NextFunctor>  Access violated @ that insult
     <rindolf>  konverse: man?
    <konverse>  Yah mon.
     <rindolf>  konverse: yeh money!
    <konverse>  Well, there ya go.
    <konverse>  Humanity at its' finest.
     <rindolf>  konverse: money talks, bullshit walks, and GNU awks!
 <NextFunctor>  yeh boi, freeze! how low can you go? - Public Enemy ft.
                Anthrax
    <konverse>  Well deserved credit, mon.
 <NextFunctor>  I'm curious Konverse
 <NextFunctor>  Are you even a programmer?
     <rindolf>  konverse: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/humanity/ -
                «Humanity - The Movie»
       <gde33>  konverse: what basic do you write in?
    <konverse>  I do know the basics of some langs. Compared to this
                wumpus, I have more experience than even what kind of
                taste his art is.
     <rindolf>  gde33: he writes in basic trolling English.
    <konverse>  There goes more credit. +1.
    <konverse>  Bitcoin talker.
     <rindolf>  konverse: I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy! I'm not worth!
             *  rindolf erects a giant status of konverse and worships it.
     <rindolf>  Your holiness!
     <rindolf>  Your godliness!
             *  wei2912 bows in front of the statue
     <rindolf>  Your ChuckNorrisness!
     <wei2912>  wait, status*
     <rindolf>  wei2912: also kiss its feet.
     <wei2912>  your status glorifies us!
       <gde33>  the only interpreter should be hardware design language,
                then we should go back to the cartridge system
     <wei2912>  glorious leader
     <wei2912>  we will follow you for the rest of your life!
     <wei2912>  your status shall be in our hearts!
     <rindolf>  wei2912: yes.
     <rindolf>  wei2912: heh.
    <konverse>  It's not over rindolf. Soon, there'll be butterflies. Then
                there'll be birds and cats wraunching at each other.
     <rindolf>  http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/Summer-Glau/ -
                Summer Glau > Chuck Norris.
     <wei2912>  (next day: Status changed to: "these idiots engraved my
                status, now it won't automatically update"
    <konverse>  I'm pretty sure. You have something planned?
     <rindolf>  konverse: your SummerGlau-ness!
       <gde33>  rindolf: do you make a lot of money with your website?
     <rindolf>  konverse: nothing is over until either or both of us are
                dead! D. E. D. Dead!
     <rindolf>  gde33: not a lot yet.
    <konverse>  Yes. Wanna race? I'll play tag first. You're it.
             *  rindolf eats the tag.
     <rindolf>  Om nom nom nom. Delicious.
     <rindolf>  Here's a tag for you - <br class="foo" />
     <rindolf>  It's an XHTML tag.
    <konverse>  That's rhetorical rindolf. You should have type casted.
       <gde33>  rindolf: oh that will be sure to make things easy!
    <konverse>  Why the long face??? :<
     <rindolf>  http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Muppets-Show-TNI/Harry-Potter.html
                - Cookie Monster as Dumbledore 2.
    <konverse>  Ah. Just a frame. A portrait. We're there any fleas?
    <konverse>  rindolf: You're pathetic.
    <konverse>  Period.
     <rindolf>  konverse: I am pathetic.
     <wei2912>  humans are pathetic
     <rindolf>  konverse: I perfected patheticness to an artform.
    <konverse>  I won't go for stats, 'cause I can already tell by just a
                lift of a knob, I can twist things around.
     <rindolf>  konverse: my patheticness is unmatched even by Chuck
                Norris' patheticness.
     <rindolf>  ZadYree: ewwwww!
     <rindolf>  ZadYree: what's up?
     <ZadYree>  yo rindolf :)
     <ZadYree>  Well, trying to convince myself it's time to code ^^
     <rindolf>  ZadYree: how's life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
                today?
     <rindolf>  ZadYree: Stop! Coding time!
     <ZadYree>  Hehehe
    <konverse>  What if I do this? ><````'i> j-------\p
     <rindolf>  ZadYree: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo -
                Stop! Hammer Time.
     <rindolf>  konverse: ASCII art?
       <gde33>  konverse: you have to wrap it in a cdata section
     <ZadYree>  rindolf, hehehe! Oh yeah!
    <konverse>  You're so obvious rindolf.
    <konverse>  I guess the wait watchers have no idea.
     <rindolf>  ZadYree: meet konverse - he's my target of
                counter-trolling.
     <rindolf>  konverse: s/wait/weight/
    <konverse>  rindolf: Guess what? I'm trolling your website. I'll go
                and rate it.
     <rindolf>  konverse: go ahead. Make my day!
     <ZadYree>  troll day is best day
    <konverse>  OOOOoooooh.
     <rindolf>  konverse: any publicity is good publicity.
    <konverse>  Like, how you started the alpha?
     <rindolf>  konverse: alpha?
     <rindolf>  konverse: alpha of what?
     <rindolf>  ZadYree: heh.
    <konverse>  Nm.
     <rindolf>  ZadYree: "It's a good day to troll!"
     <rindolf>  konverse: whatever.
     <rindolf>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf7MT1p1VNI - whatever.
     <ZadYree>  rindolf, :)

    -- May the best troll win!
    -- ##programming, Freenode
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  <rindolf>  protist: I realised Sarah Michelle Gellar starred in the same
             show as Robin Williams. They played a father and daughter.
  <protist>  rindolf: you are obsessed with her :p
  <rindolf>  And the father divorced her mother and left her mother to
             raise her on her own, kinda like SMG in real life.
  <rindolf>  protist: I *iz* obsessed with her.
  <rindolf>  protist: she was one of my first loves.
  <protist>  rindolf: haha
  <rindolf>  protist: I was recently obsessed with Jennifer Lawrence too -
             I like the alpha female/insurgent/antagonist/rebel type of
             girls.
  <rindolf>  protist: over at the Technion , I kinda hit on a girl with a
             nose ring who coloured her hair black, but she turned out to
             already have a bf.
  <rindolf>  protist: since then I realised I should be more honest and
             direct and also reduce the round-trip/time-to-market delay.
  <protist>  rindolf: round-trip/time-to-market delay?
  <protist>  rindolf: and a lot of girls will just say they have a
             boyfriend :p...and sometimes they do it to test you, because
             oddly they are only interested in a guy who persists in spite
             of the fake boyfriend
 <Jck_true>  protist: Yeah you might not wanna mention ROI [= "Return On
             Investment"] when you're asking a girl on a date...
  <protist>  rindolf: but sometimes it is lack of interest...and sometimes
             they really do have a boyfriend
  <protist>  Jck_true: what do you mean? :p
  <rindolf>  Jck_true: heh.
  <protist>  Jck_true: I'm doing the monogamy thing at the moment
  <rindolf>  Jck_true++ # Made me laugh.
  <rindolf>  "What's your favourite position? CTO!"
     <pyon>  protist: Wouldn't it be easier to simply say "not interested,
             bye"?
     <pyon>  protist: I mean, in the case where they aren't interested.
  <protist>  pyon: When do you ever remember girls being simple?
 <Jck_true>  The Freaking FCC :)
     <pyon>  protist: True that.
  <protist>  pyon: and sometimes they may tell you they have a
             boyfriend...and actually have one...but will still sleep with
             you
  <protist>  pyon: they might tell you just so you know that this is
             supposed to be discrete lol
    <vendu>  pyon, nothing is simple with/about women :D
    <vendu>  hey rindolf
  <rindolf>  protist:
             http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=sharp-xkcd-programming-languages-sex-talk
             - Haskell Sex.
  <protist>  rindolf: i saw that when you linked it before :)
  <rindolf>  <vendu> pyon, nothing is simple with/about women :D ==> lies!
             Just read "Women for dummies" and you're set!
     <pyon>  rindolf: lol
    <vendu>  hehe
    <vendu>  =)
 <Svetlana>  ffs
  <rindolf>  HikaruBG: hi, no idea.
  <rindolf>  Svetlana: hi.
  <rindolf>  Svetlana: what's wrong?
  <rindolf>  Svetlana: I hope you were not too offended by our sex talk or
             pseudo-sex talk here.
  <rindolf>  We're not sexist - we just play ones in real life.
 <HikaruBG>  Svetlana, what is ffs?
  <rindolf>  Well, there's a difference between sexist and sexualised.
  <rindolf>  HikaruBG: "FFS = for fuck's sake".
 <Svetlana>  No, I'm not offended at the conversation. I am offended at
             how lame work I'm doing at setting focus and priorities,
             though. I am trying to get mediawiki running but in fact I'm
             not sure it's a good idea for me to do so or what I would be
             working on.
 <HikaruBG>  thankd rindolf, i have learned something new today .... that
             early in the morning :)
 <HikaruBG>  Svetlana, just take a 15 and step out from the office. Then
             figure all priorities out.
 <Svetlana>  How do you define "take a 15"?
  <grim001>  15 milliseconds
  <sandeep>  vendu: hi
 <HikaruBG>  15 minutes ... :)
 <HikaruBG>  clean your head a bit
 <HikaruBG>  fresh air
  <rindolf>  Svetlana: yes, maybe take a walk.
  <rindolf>  Svetlana: ah, I'm glad you're not offended.
 <HikaruBG>  on another hand, Svetlana, where are you trying to deploy
             mediawiki?
  <rindolf>  Well, boys will be boys (and girls will be girls).

    -- “Baby, we’re so direct, we need to be on the same subnet!”
    -- ##programming, Freenode
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   <rindolf>  In my imagination, my concept at the time of
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Michelle_Gellar , who
              was a relatively wild and polyamorous girl (but still an
              awesome one) decided to duplicate herself and then said "I
              am going to call my new self 'Valentine'". So she gets
              duplicated and her duplicate then says "So I'm Valentine,
              right?"
  <njcomsec>  does polyamorous mean a slut?
   <rindolf>  njcomsec: well, not exactly.
   <rindolf>  njcomsec: thing is - she was very picky about which guys she
              got involved with. But if she slept with you once, you don't
              need to worry about it happening again.
      <pyon>  Is it not possible to have a fixed, small but non-singleton
              set of romantic partners?
   <rindolf>  pyon: what does that mean?
  <njcomsec>  i wouldnt worry about it :)
  <njcomsec>  in fact i would worry she might NOT want to again
  <njcomsec>  pyon i believe that is called open relationship
  <njcomsec>  i am open to this idea
  <njcomsec>  but so far i cant even find one nice girl who will date me
  <njcomsec>  so this is the first step
 <o0elise0o>  i have this problem where if i sleep with someone i usually
              dont want to ever again
  <njcomsec>  thats cute
      <pyon>  rindolf: A singleton set is a set with exactly one element.
              A small, non-singleton set of romantic partners would be,
              for example, having two or three romantic partners, but not
              having sex with arbitrary people.
   <rindolf>  Also , Miranda Kerr recently bragged about all the great sex
              she's been getting with various willing men after being
              separated from her husband (= Orlando Bloom). I say - all
              the power to her.
   <rindolf>  pyon: ah.
   <rindolf>  pyon: well, she had a fixed (But often growin or getting
              reduced) set of those.
      <pyon>  rindolf: Well... if it is often growing or shrinking, it is
              not fixed.
   <gde33|2>  o0elise0o: try costumes
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJgYxWhDDWc
   <rindolf>  pyon: ah.
   <rindolf>  pyon: well, if her lovers had entered a relationship, she
              stopped sleeping with them.
   <rindolf>  pyon: although not permanently.
      <pyon>  rindolf: Ah!
   <rindolf>  I imagined a short students' film about Valentine Gellar's
              life.
   <rindolf>  It starts with showing her riding a bus and then there are
              the immortal words "I used to be Sarah Michelle Gellar".
   <rindolf>  And Valentine had a steady boyfriend and also studied for a
              Ph.D. Well, she's a professor now.
   <rindolf>  Anyway, at one point she visits her and Sarah's mother, who
              admits that while she knows that Valentine is technically
              her daughter, she causes her so few troubles and is so
              great, that she has a hard time thinking of her as her
              daughter - she's more like a younger friend.
   <gde33|2>  rindolf: you are spoiling the whole movie!
   <rindolf>  gde33|2: heh, it's not a real film.
   <gde33|2>  you underacheaver!
   <gde33|2>  I say, make it so
   <rindolf>  And then she visits a guy and sees that his room is in
              disarray and after she queries him for this he says "Ah,
              yes, Sarah was here last night. We had an awesome time." So
              Valentine says: "She couldn't have been! She stayed up late
              at a benefit and went to bed past 1 AM exhausted." . So he
              thinks for a moment and says: "So it wasn't her! No biggie."
  <KAROLINA>  rindolf: are you fluffy?
   <rindolf>  KAROLINA: no, I'm Fluttershy.
  <KAROLINA>  rindolf: What is a fluffershy?
   <rindolf>  And there's also a part where the original SMG and Valentine
              recall some memories from their mutual past together.
  <KAROLINA>  JamesNZ are you fluffy?
   <rindolf>  KAROLINA: s/ffer/tter/
  <KAROLINA>  rindolf: i dont understand you
   <JamesNZ>  KAROLINA: Nope.
   <rindolf>  KAROLINA: Fluttershy is the sensitive pony in My Little
              Pony- http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Fluttershy
  <KAROLINA>  rindolf: but i like Fluffle betteR!?
   <rindolf>  KAROLINA: what is fluffle?
  <KAROLINA>  rindolf: Google Fluffle!
  <KAROLINA>  and then go to pictures

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    <rindolf>  thecha: hi, what's up?
     <thecha>  not much. I am running my trisquel gnu/linux from an usb
               now
     <thecha>  and you?
    <rindolf>  thecha: I've been redditting and twittering.
    <rindolf>  thecha: and I went on a walk now.
      <pulse>  hi rindolf
    <rindolf>  thecha: I met a father with two children. he scolded them.
    <rindolf>  thecha: I asked him for their names and he said "why does
               it matter?" :-(
    <rindolf>  pulse: hi.
    <rindolf>  I also saw a lady sitting on a bench with two Pekinese dogs
               - one male and one female.
    <rindolf>  they barked at me.
    <rindolf>  Maybe she was afraid of me (their owner I mean).
     <ezrios>  dogs bark at everything
    <rindolf>  I also saw some bird watchers in the park earlier in the
               morning.
    <rindolf>  ezrios: some dogs are amazingly calm.
    <rindolf>  ezrios: I once met a huge Caucasian Shepherd dog who was
               less than one years old and called "Rambo" who was
               super-calm.
    <rindolf>  His owner was also very friendly.
     <ezrios>  a super-calm Rambo eh
 <epitamizor>  cool story bro
    <rindolf>  They say the dog and its owner resemble each other.
    <rindolf>  epitamizor: every story is cool with the right attitude.
    <rindolf>  epitamizor:
               http://www.reddit.com/r/TMNT/comments/2d9fo7/postrelease_movie_discussion_thread_2/ck3khga
               - see this.
    <rindolf>  ezrios: yes , amazing.
    <rindolf>  ezrios: Rambo was the epitome of a tough all powerful
               super-muscular anti-geeky warrior/action-hero.
    <rindolf>  ezrios: but the fact of the matter is that the best combat
               warriors in the world are: 1. Not very muscular. 2. Geeks.
    <rindolf>  http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/putting-all-cards-on-the-table-2013/DocBook5/putting-all-cards-on-the-table-2013/best_warriors.html
     <thecha>  ok i will try
     <thecha>  the dog probably ws being agressive because the owners mood
               was affecting him
     <thecha>  the owner probably was being hostile so the dog followed
               suit
     <thecha>  and the guy with the kids should have just said the names
               isntead of being a dick about it
     <thecha>  you go for walks often?
    <rindolf>  thecha: yes, I go for walks a lot.
    <rindolf>  thecha: yes, this father should learn some things after
               fatherhood.
    <rindolf>  thecha: the children were nice.
    <rindolf>  Oh! and on the way upstairs there was a very young boy with
               a toy gun and I pretended to wage an imaginary war with
               him. He enjoyed it.
     <thecha>  rindolf-> who won the imaginary shoot out?
    <rindolf>  thecha: he did I think.
    <rindolf>  thecha: I let him win.
    <rindolf>  thecha: he seemed to have enjoyed it.
    <rindolf>  thecha: children can be so smart.
      <pulse>  i don't think age has anything to do with smartness
    <rindolf>  thecha: and it helped brighten my day.
    <rindolf>  pulse: yes.
    <rindolf>  pulse: I have actually grown smarter with age.
      <pulse>  i've grown wiser. not much smarter
    <rindolf>  pulse: ah.
    <rindolf>  pulse: what's your distinction?
    <rindolf>  pulse: I've grown wiser too.
      <pulse>  smart is the ability to calculate things fast
      <pulse>  wise is the ability to live your life ;)
    <rindolf>  pulse: there are more parameters to intelligence than doing
               fast calculations.
      <pulse>  i guess there's certain correlation between the two
    <rindolf>  pulse: yes.
      <pulse>  i know. there's different types of intelligence
      <pulse>  but most types boil down to two things. calculations and
               speed
    <rindolf>  pulse: ah. IQ?
      <pulse>  any kind of intelligence
      <pulse>  IQ is a sort of generalization of all types
    <rindolf>  pulse: see
               https://twitter.com/shlomif/status/495252148775436288 -
               «Forget #IQ! #Sloppy → #Confident → #Smart!! #TeamGrimmie
               #confidence #competence #PublishOrPerish»
      <pulse>  but it's also stupid
      <pulse>  rindolf, hmm
      <pulse>  what am i supposed to see there :P
      <pulse>  i still don't know how twitter works
      <pulse>  what are those hashtags supposed to be
       <pyon>  rindolf: Meh, sloppiness is just sloppiness.
       <pyon>  rindolf: One can be flexible without lowering one's own
               standards.
     <thecha>  rindolf you can't let the enemy win
    <rindolf>  thecha: yes, bring the Delta Team with Chuck Norris,
               Sylvester Stalone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and.. Summer Glau
               (!♥:-)) against this boy.
    <rindolf>  there shall be blood tonight!
       <ssta>  you really are obsessed with this Summer Glau

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 <rindolf>  aidanh: I've solved PRoject Euler #141 yesterday and learned a
            valuable lesson about excessive forking to processes and
            capturing their output.
 <Snake2k>  rindolf: Indeed >_>
 <rindolf>  Namely: it kills performance.
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: where do you live?
 <Snake2k>  rindolf: I need to start doing Project Euler again :|
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: ah.
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: we can become friends there.
 <Snake2k>  rindolf: Northern Virginia, pretty much a mile or two away
            from D.C.
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: ah.
 <Snake2k>  rindolf: We can still be friends >_>
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: heh.
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: I don't friend Northern Virginians!
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: ;-)
         *  Snake2k does "gcc -Wall hug_rindolf.c -o hug --std=c11"
         *  Snake2k does "./hug"
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: southern virginians on the other hand...
         *  Snake2k gets "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)"
 <Snake2k>  rindolf: Why? :'( we're nice and shit :(
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: heh, I'm just joking.
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: I'm cool with Northern Virginians.
    <Twey>  rindolf: ‘It kills performance’ — depends on your definition
            of ‘process’. POSIX processes are huge, but green threads in
            e.g. Haskell or Erlang are usually very cheap and can be used
            without much consideration.
         *  DarkCthulhu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 <rindolf>  Twey: I Was talking about POSIX processes.
 <rindolf>  Twey: I captured the output of "factor" for convenience, and
            it proved to be a major slowdown.
 <rindolf>  Twey: ERLANG! Munctional! Parallelism!
 <Snake2k>  rindolf: but you hurt ma feelz :'(
 <rindolf>  Snake2k: heh.
   <Tawre>  Snake2k, just commit violence against him
   <Tawre>  it'll fix everything
   <Tawre>  and if it doesn't you're not using enough violence
 <Snake2k>  Tawre: good idea :|
         *  Snake2k hugs the living rindolf out of rindolf
    <Myrl>  I wonder if normal algebra would be fine with you using lambda
            functions.
         *  rindolf sends 1e12 virtual kisses to Northern Virginia.
    <Myrl>  Or curried functions.
         *  Tawre kisses rindolf 0e13 times.
    <Myrl>  guys get a room.
 <rindolf>  Tawre: heh.
 <rindolf>  Myrl: we got ##programming !
 <Snake2k>  this is getting weird...
 <rindolf>  It's a chat-room!
 <Snake2k>  I hug... I don't do virtual kisses...
         *  Snake2k slithers away...
         *  Snake2k is all creeped out and shit...
 <rindolf>  s/kisses/hugs/
   <Tawre>  Snake2k, well, we can kill it "hugs" too if you want ;)
         *  Snake2k slithers back
 <Snake2k>  Tawre: <______________<
    <Twey>  rindolf: ‘Parallelism’ — er… yeah. That's what you wanted :þ
   <Tawre>  we can do parallel hugs too

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            <ams>  rebase is fun
        <Church->  Base in general is fun.
 <sir_galahad_ad>  3rd base isn't bad
        <Church->  I mean come on man, are you a base-head or not?!
        <Faylite>  4th base is fun
 <sir_galahad_ad>  Base 16 is kinda neato
                *  rindolf is all about that base.
                *  sir_galahad_ad high-fives rindolf
        <rindolf>  sir_galahad_ad:
                   http://www.fivefingertees.com/all-about-that-base-no-rebels-t-shirt.html
        <Faylite>  You can't use base jokes any more, cause all your base
                   are belong to us.

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 <_blizzy_>  lol at people who are looking to hire people who have 3 years
             experience of Swift.
    <pulse>  i have 1 year of experience with Swift and i've developed a
             minor depression in that time
    <pulse>  should i sue oracle?
 <apotheon>  I love how everyone who wrote three lines of code for the
             Linux kernel these days can now refer to his or her code
             running on things somewhere other than Earth to make
             themselves sound good, now.
  <rindolf>  _blizzy_: heh.
 <_blizzy_>  I have 4 years experience with Swift and 10 years experience
             of Node.
 <_blizzy_>  hire me.
  <rindolf>  _blizzy_: wasn't Swift created less than a year ago?
 <_blizzy_>  rindolf, that's the joke.
  <rindolf>  _blizzy_: yes.
    <pulse>  oh, you mean Swift
    <pulse>  as in apple
 <_blizzy_>  node wasn't around also 10 years ago.
  <rindolf>  _blizzy_: yes.
 <_blizzy_>  rindolf, oh.
 <_blizzy_>  https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/320ujx/why_cant_programmers_program_is_print_100_to_1/
    <pulse>  could they choose a more stupid name
 <_blizzy_>  I tripped on that problem.
 <apotheon>  _blizzy_: If you don't have thirty years of experience with
             Java, you don't qualify.
    <pulse>  only if they called it PHP 2 maybe it would be stupider
 <_blizzy_>  print 100 -> 1, but start with (for i=0
  <rindolf>  _blizzy_: «Chuck Norris has 50 years of proven experience in
             PHP/MySQL/Java. Each.»
 <_blizzy_>  rindolf, Chuck Norris made a new sorting algorithm.
 <_blizzy_>  roundhouse sorting.
    <pulse>  chuck norris once outrun himself
 <_blizzy_>  2003.
 <_blizzy_>  I hope no one
 <_blizzy_>  attempts to crash my app. c:
  <wei2912>  rindolf: chuck norris can compile any randomly generated code
             with GCC
  <rindolf>  wei2912: :-)
 <apotheon>  That's impressive. GCC sometimes doesn't even compile
             standards compliant code.
    <pulse>  chuck norris can roll a joint while swimming
 <_blizzy_>  CN slammed a revolving door.
     <Twey>  pulse: They could have chosen a much stupider name, like
             ‘Go’.
 <_blizzy_>  Twey, or Java
  <wei2912>  lmao
 <_blizzy_>  I kid.
    <pulse>  Twey, well at least Go doesn't have any bad connotations ...
             as far as i know
 <_blizzy_>  GO is actually
 <_blizzy_>  decent.
          *  Twey resolves to call his next project ‘The’
 <apotheon>  Java isn't a stupid name. It was just ruined by association
             with the language.
    <pulse>  when i hear Swift, all i can think of is those horrible
             layout patterns in Netbeans
  <rindolf>  wei2912: Chuck Norris once wrote a 10 million lines C++
             program in MS Notepad without hitting the backspace key. And
             it compiled without errors or warnings and was 100% bug free.
 <_blizzy_>  Java is bad imo.
     <Twey>  pulse: I mostly think of the bird
    <pulse>  chuck norris once made a program that was 110% bug free
  <wei2912>  rindolf: Chuck Norris once wrote Swift Swiftly
  <rindolf>  pulse: and he donated the extra 10% for charity.
 <_blizzy_>  Chuck Norris once wrote a Whitespace program without
             whitespace.
 <apotheon>  pulse: Only once? Slacker.
    <pulse>  rindolf, :D
  <wei2912>  he Goes on to write Go
     <Twey>  _blizzy_: That's easy
      <ams>  isn't everything readable in go by default?
    <pulse>  ams, that's what they said about Python
 <apotheon>  Go is an excellent Java replacement.
      <ams>  :-)
     <Twey>  _blizzy_: (the empty program is a valid Whitespace program)
 <_blizzy_>  Twey, oh.
 <_blizzy_>  time to learn meteor.
    <pulse>  i imagine it's possible to open a wormhole to another
             dimension using just javascript
 <_blizzy_>  it's possible in Python
 <_blizzy_>  import wormhole
 <apotheon>  _blizzy_: I hear excellent things about Meteor. I also hear
             bad things . . . like the fact it's a JavaScript framework.
    <pulse>  _blizzy_, from __future__?
 <_blizzy_>  pulse, of course.
  <wei2912>  heh
 <apotheon>  pulse: Yes, that's possible, but only if you do it by
             accident.
 <apotheon>  (re: JavaScript)
 <_blizzy_>  you gotta add 'use strict'; for it to work.
  <Znoosey>  pulse: why would a wormhole be to another dimension?
 <apotheon>  I'm pretty sure neither Python nor JavaScript uses strict.
 <_blizzy_>  JS does.
  <Znoosey>  pulse: wormholes goes to other places in the galaxy, it does
             not move between dimensions
    <pulse>  Znoosey, i thought all wormholes lead to dimensions with
             silly rabbits and such
 <apotheon>  Srsly? I clearly haven't been writing "enough" JavaScript.
 <_blizzy_>  https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Strict_mode
 <apotheon>  I haven't yet encountered that.
  <Znoosey>  galaxy = universe
    <pulse>  apotheon, yeah, JS has use strict :L
    <pulse>  Znoosey, wat
  <Znoosey>  in my sentence it is!
     <Twey>  As a string.
  <Znoosey>  I just messed it up :P
    <pulse>  galaxy is a subset of the universe
     <Twey>  I thought that was a joke about Python's True = False
    <pulse>  a universe might be a subset of a multiverse :P
  <Znoosey>  pulse: yes, I messed it up in my sentence
    <pulse>  a multiverse might be a subset of itself o_O
  <Znoosey>  a multiverse is a subset of space
    <pulse>  well what is space then
  <Znoosey>  space might be infinite
 <_blizzy_>  why is True = False even legal
 <_blizzy_>  in Python.
    <pulse>  _blizzy_, because of reasons
    <pulse>  it's illegal in 3.0 afaik
     <Twey>  _blizzy_: It's not in Py3
 <_blizzy_>  omg
 <apotheon>  pulse: I think that instead of "galaxy = universe" what
             Znoosey meant was "s/galaxy/universe/".
 <_blizzy_>  somehow sneak True = False into a python 2 program
    <fykos>  Guys, why the arraylist only adds the last token to the
             list?http://pastebin.com/YbHLEqnA
    <pulse>  apotheon, universe = universe? o_.

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 <amigojapan>  it seems the Tokyo Hackerspace has finally moved to it’s
               new location, I was waiting for this in order to give my
               programming 101 class over at their place….
    <rindolf>  amigojapan: s/it’s/its
 <amigojapan>  ty rindolf
    <rindolf>  amigojapan: you're welcome .
 <amigojapan>  rindolf: I really find that English rule strange, usually
               ’s is possesive
    <rindolf>  amigojapan: well, you don't say he’s instead of his.
 <amigojapan>  but its is the correct posessive for it
    <rindolf>  amigojapan: yes, it is.
 <amigojapan>  true
     <aidanh>  amigojapan: With English, the only rule is that there are
               always exceptions
 <amigojapan>  hehehe true aidanh , jkhdkjdsh shjsad sdlkhlsk ads h kds <—
               I declare this noew valid english :)
     <aidanh>  Heh
            *  amigojapan shoudl read his gibrish before posting, what if
               by pure chance I write something encriminating :)
    <rindolf>  amigojapan: you misspelled "shsjad"
 <amigojapan>  lol, rindolf

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    <Ori_B>  ...I'm failing at typing.
 <hassoon_>  yep
 <hassoon_>  you're a fail
 <hassoon_>  a shame on the human kind
     <aawe>  hassoon_: I invented failure
     <aawe>  please send royalty checks
 <hassoon_>  aawe: you must be Satan.
     <aawe>  I invented satan too
  <rindolf>  aawe: Chuck Norris invented Satan!
     <aawe>  rindolf: I'll need to send some cease or desist letters to
             Chuck’s lawyers for spreading such lies
     <aawe>  or is that "cease AND desist"?
  <rindolf>  aawe: AND
     <aawe>  makes more sense, yeah
 <hassoon_>  rindolf is satan
  <rindolf>  hassoon_: so Chuck Norris or aawe invented me? ;-)
 <hassoon_>  rindolf: yep
     <aawe>  but then who invented aawe?
     <aawe>  rindolf: for a token fee, I can list you as my inventor
  <rindolf>  aawe: Chuck Norris did!
  <rindolf>  aawe: I'd rather not make claims to Chuck Norris' work.
     <aawe>  a chuck is the part holding the piece in a lathe, and norris
             is the cat in hogwarts in harry potter
     <aawe>  coincidence?

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      <rindolf>  JohnBobSmith: ah.
          <Zuu>  rindolf pindolf windolf, Hi :>
      <rindolf>  Zuu: hi, sup?
      <rindolf>  Zuu: maybe you should be Zindolf!
          <Zuu>  rindolf: nothing much, just weekendstinating :>
      <rindolf>  Zuu: ah.
          <Zuu>  Wooh, Zindolph :P
      <rindolf>  Or Zuundolph.
          <Zuu>  :D
              *  Zuu is now known as Zuudolph
      <rindolf>  Zuudolph: heh.
      <rindolf>  Zuudolph: you're missing an n.
     <Zuudolph>  The miss was kindof intentional :P
     <Zuudolph>  I mean, itetioal
      <rindolf>  Zuudolph: ah.
      <rindolf>  Zuudolph: heh.
      <rindolf>  Death to the n!
     <Zuudolph>  :P
      <rindolf>  We do't eed o stiki' N!
      <rindolf>  N is overrated.
      <rindolf>  Zuudolph: nice.
     <Zuudolph>  :D
      <rindolf>  Zuudolph kinda sounds like Rudolph.
     <Zuudolph>  That's what I was going for :P
      <rindolf>  Zuudolph: ah.
 <JohnBobSmith>  Zuudoplh the black and white penguin! Had a very shiny
                 beak! And if you ever saw him, you would know hes a
                 programmer!
 <JohnBobSmith>  lolz
 <JohnBobSmith>  Zuudolph: Do you like my attempt at poetry?
     <Zuudolph>  JohnBobSmith: it's a little arbitrary... so I guess it's
                 good poetry :D
 <JohnBobSmith>  Zuudolph: :D

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 <blehblah>  hi
     <kalx>  blehblah: sup
 <blehblah>  not much, gettin ready to release :)
     <kalx>  blehblah: nice, releases are always fun (well, at least the
             feeling afterwards)
 <blehblah>  kalx, it's a nice feeling when you release an improved
             version of your stuff, it's exciting
     <kalx>  haha. I only had the caveat because releases can be different
             depending on the project. (Deploying to a live server
             environment can be stressful sometimes)
 <blehblah>  oh, pff, nah i'm just consumer software.
  <rindolf>  blehblah: consumer software? Do people consume your software?
             ;-)
  <rindolf>  blehblah: is there less of it left after they pay for/use it?
 <blehblah>  :D
     <txdv>  rindolf: the consumer consumes the souls of the developers
             with their requests and what not
  <rindolf>  txdv: heh.
  <ashmew2>  this discussion WILL deter prospective developers
  <ashmew2>  :/
          *  rindolf consumes txdv's soul.
     <txdv>  i have no soul
     <txdv>  nothing to consume there
  <rindolf>  txdv: that's good - souls are a nuisance.
 <blehblah>  txdv: consumer = management? :D (j/k)
          *  rindolf consumes txdv completely.
      <Xgc>  Even in the electronic case, resources are limited. Each
             download may reduce the product available.
     <txdv>  canibalism man
     <txdv>  Mein Teil

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         <xeno>  I wish Adventure games (the old style) hadn't crashed so
                 badly. I like the Telltale Games, but they've turned into
                 movies rather than click & point games
         <xeno>  although I just got Broken Sword on my ipad, that seems
                 promising
         <xeno>  but still not anywhere near Lucasarts
         <xeno>  imagine the old lucasart team joining up and making
                 Maniac Mansion III
 <themachinist>  hmm that would be cool. havent played MM
         <xeno>  themachinist: MM2 is better known as Day of the Tentacle
         <xeno>  themachinist: and it's the best adventure games of all
                 time, easily spins circles around both Monkey Island and
                 Sam & Max
 <themachinist>  herecy!
         <xeno>  play it, then say herecy again! it's insanely good
 <themachinist>  now i have something to do this weekend
         <xeno>  definitely... and unless you cheat, probably longer :)
      <rindolf>  xeno: I prefered the Monkey Islands over Day of the
                 Tentacle.
      <rindolf>  xeno: and I finished the Day of the Tentacle.
      <rindolf>  xeno: it's a good idea not to state an opinion as a fact.
                 :-)
         <xeno>  I would play DotT first, Sam & Max second, Monkey Island
                 II third, not sure about 4th
         <xeno>  rindolf: but it's a fact that DotT is the best! :)
 <themachinist>  Twey: i think its busybox, not sure how to tell
 <themachinist>  jkbbwr: ?
      <rindolf>  xeno: "In my opinion, it's a fact!"
         <xeno>  rindolf: exactly!
      <rindolf>  xeno: stop! You don't exist! You cannot have opinions.
      <rindolf>  xeno: I am not -> I think not.
         <xeno>  rindolf: you don't need to exist or to think for DotT to
                 be the best adventure game :)
      <rindolf>  xeno: you cannot have opinions and you certainly cannot
                 state facts.
      <rindolf>  xeno: heh.
      <rindolf>  xeno: DotT does not exist! Thus, it can not be played.
      <rindolf>  xeno: the Matrix HAZ YOU!
         <xeno>  rindolf: of course the matrix has me
         <xeno>  or I have the matrix
         <xeno>  or maybe I am the matrix
      <rindolf>  xeno: in which cell? ;-)
         <xeno>  #9, the one with the soft fluffy walls
      <rindolf>  xeno: a matrix is two-dimensional.
         <xeno>  only inside the matrix
      <rindolf>  xeno: maybe an Evil Genius convinced us that matrices are
                 a valid mathematical concept.
         <Twey>  Matrices are just a special case of tensors.
         <xeno>  rindolf: that's likely, but you don't even need that...
                 the Evil Genius argument is just Descartes being
                 incapable of imagining himself as not created by
                 something conscious
      <rindolf>  Twey: "Flobakonins are just a special case of
                 loremipsums."
         <Twey>  rindolf: Gesundheit!
      <rindolf>  Twey: heh.
      <rindolf>  xeno: i agree that reality can be very different from
                 what we perceive it.
      <rindolf>  xeno: assuming powerful enough misconceptionists.

    -- “In my opinion, it’s a fact that I don’t exist!”
    -- ##programming, Freenode
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      <pulse>  that feel when you're hungry but you're too lazy to cook
               food
    <rindolf>  pulse: do you have apples or snacks?
      <Flonk>  pulse: 3pm, still didn't manage
     <novare>  #ramennoodleslifestyle
      <Flonk>  I know your feel
    <rindolf>  pulse: can you order pizza?
      <pulse>  Flonk, same here, lol
      <pulse>  rindolf, yeah but i have no cash on me
      <pulse>  so it's either cook food or starve
    <rindolf>  pulse: ah.
      <pulse>  rindolf, i have bananas
      <pulse>  :D
      <pulse>  no apples
       <adsc>  pulse: you could hunt for neighbour's cats
      <pulse>  i like my neighbour's cats
      <pulse>  they're cute
      <pulse>  also i don't eat cats
       <adsc>  then hunt further away in your neighbourhood
      <pulse>  or any sort of meat for that matter
       <adsc>  oh
       <adsc>  then hunt for their fruits and vegetables
      <pulse>  :D
            *  pulse packs a rifle
      <pulse>  pesky carrots, won't get away from me this time
 <PlanckWalk>  If you eat cats, then you'll be reducing the amount of meat
               eaten in the world.
       <adsc>  shotgunning the ground is a surprisingly effective way to
               reveal the treasures that lie within
      <pulse>  PlanckWalk, that's paradoxical. i'll be eating meat so i'll
               be increasing it
 <PlanckWalk>  But you'll be reducing the meat that would otherwise be
               eaten by those cats in their life!
      <pulse>  ah.
      <pulse>  i don't mind cats eating meat
       <adsc>  and he'll increase the corn that's eaten by mice
       <adsc>  which increases world hunger
       <adsc>  so it's bad to eat cats
       <adsc>  better eat dogs
       <adsc>  they are useless
       <adsc>  although I guess they to have a positive impact on sales of
               the shoe industry
       <adsc>  so maybe it's not good to eat dogs either, or the shoe
               industry will falter
      <pulse>  now i'm not hungry anymore
      <pulse>  so this chat was somewhat beneficial

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     <rindolf>  pyon: i'm trying to get inkscape to stop segfaulting on
                Mageia Cauldron.
     <rindolf>  pyon: there was a big GCC/C++ transition to GCC-5.2.x
        <pyon>  rindolf: :-O
        <pyon>  rindolf: What [use case / particular sequence of actions]
                makes it segfault?
     <rindolf>  pyon: just running it.
     <rindolf>  right on startup.
     <schquid>  That delicious ABI breakage?
        <pyon>  rindolf: Ah!
     <rindolf>  schquid: yes!
     <rindolf>  schquid: it's part of the conspiracy of the Capitalists to
                oppress the proleteriat!
     <rindolf>  schquid: GCC is controlled by the bourgusey.
     <schquid>  I knew it!
     <rindolf>  schquid: heh, heh.
     <rindolf>  schquid: I'm planning to create SCC - Socialist Compiler
                Collection to end the oppression! ;-)
     <schquid>  Hahaha we'll need to come up with a very socialist license
                for it
 <alphabutcho>  wazzup guys
     <rindolf>  schquid: Socialist Programmers of the World - UNITE!
     <schquid>  All hail the glorious liberated proletarian front!
     <rindolf>  alphabutcho: schquid and I are discussing our plans to end
                the oppression of the proletariate by the open
                source-proliferating Capitalistic hegmony!
     <rindolf>  schquid: :-)
     <rindolf>  schquid: from each according to his hard-disk capacity -
                to each according to his warez's size!
     <rindolf>  LOL.
     <schquid>  Hahaha we could make this a thing :P
     <rindolf>  alphabutcho: actually , I'm trying to rebuild the Inkscape
                package here on Mageia Cauldron because it segfaults.

    -- You get Marx for Trying
    -- ##programming, Freenode
